[xdrive]

I thought I share my biased view of the all-new 335i Sedan. I brought my 330xi in for service today. I currently have 12000 miles/1 year of ownership, so I thought it would be time for an oil change. Although the computer says I still have 7000 miles till service. CRAZY! As I waited for my car, I decided to test drive the 335i sedan. The dealer pulled up a red w/ black interior, sports package, and automatic. I want to test drive a manual, but they have none in stock.

The inside is pretty much the same as the 330i, but with cool accents and minor detail changes. I really like the button where you can hit to fold the rear view mirror in. Not sure if that button was available in the 330i. I pushed the front cup holder, and it popped out sloooowwwllly... Same crapply design. Oh yeah, the cup holder got stuck. The bottom part won't unfold and I looked at the dealer when that happened. He smiled and pushed the cup holder back in.

The outside design is nice. Nice like the 330i. More like exactly the same. I really like the dual/split exhaust. Nice touch. Makes the car look even more sportier when compared to the 330i. As I fired up the car in the freezing, cold day I noticed something. ONLY one exhaust has "smoke" coming out of it. After a few mins, the other exhaust becomes functional. Anyone know the purpose/design of that? Once I got behind the wheel, this is what I noticed about the 335i sedan:

Louder
Stiffer
Power/torque difference

The greater power/torque is definitely noticable. Slightly noticable. Not by much though. Oh yeah, I am really happy I have xdrive on my 330, cuz the 335i's traction control was kicking in like crazy that day. It was icy!

I was considering trading in my 330xi for the new 335xi when it comes out. BUT after the test drive, I must say... I've changed my mind. 335 is definitely better, but not good enough that I would trade in my 330.

[Zeroday]

the difference in power should be very noticeable. you must not have pushed it.

[sdiver68]

Originally Posted by Zeroday

the difference in power should be very noticeable. you must not have pushed it.

+1

Did you play with the manual mode? Did the car have paddle shifters? MM+PS makes the difference between fast car and beast, particularly from a start where D and DS will both start in 2nd gear but M1 is another story altogether...

[F30Toad]

Sounds like it was icy. With DSC kicking on, torque would not be that impressive.

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by xdrive

I thought I share my biased view of the all-new 335i Sedan. I brought my 330xi in for service today. I currently have 12000 miles/1 year of ownership, so I thought it would be time for an oil change. Although the computer says I still have 7000 miles till service. CRAZY! As I waited for my car, I decided to test drive the 335i sedan. The dealer pulled up a red w/ black interior, sports package, and automatic. I want to test drive a manual, but they have none in stock.

The inside is pretty much the same as the 330i, but with cool accents and minor detail changes. I really like the button where you can hit to fold the rear view mirror in. Not sure if that button was available in the 330i. I pushed the front cup holder, and it popped out sloooowwwllly... Same crapply design. Oh yeah, the cup holder got stuck. The bottom part won't unfold and I looked at the dealer when that happened. He smiled and pushed the cup holder back in.

The outside design is nice. Nice like the 330i. More like exactly the same. I really like the dual/split exhaust. Nice touch. Makes the car look even more sportier when compared to the 330i. As I fired up the car in the freezing, cold day I noticed something. ONLY one exhaust has "smoke" coming out of it. After a few mins, the other exhaust becomes functional. Anyone know the purpose/design of that? Once I got behind the wheel, this is what I noticed about the 335i sedan:

Louder
Stiffer
Power/torque difference

The greater power/torque is definitely noticable. Slightly noticable. Not by much though. Oh yeah, I am really happy I have xdrive on my 330, cuz the 335i's traction control was kicking in like crazy that day. It was icy!

I was considering trading in my 330xi for the new 335xi when it comes out. BUT after the test drive, I must say... I've changed my mind. 335 is definitely better, but not good enough that I would trade in my 330.

Whatever makes you feel better about justifying not trading your "1-year-old" 330i in. btw - the ~320+HP/TQ in the 335i compared to the 255HP 330i is more than noticeable; sorry, but considering the 335i's power is similar to the current M3 (actually, the TQ is more than the current M3), you'd have to be in major denial not to notice. Either that, or you just didn't push on the gas much.

[Viral]

This is the worst review of a 335 ever.......

[krazykanuck]

I guess he didn't notice the power because he didn't push it due to it being icy.

I've driven both a 330xi and a 335i and they are worlds apart power wise, as most people here would agree.

[StewtheBassman]

I found it quite noisy when I drove it, like my '05 Subaru Legacy turbo


Anyway it's too expensive for me and I would probably kill myself doing a stupidass pass in it

[JSpira]

Originally Posted by xdrive

I really like the button where you can hit to fold the rear view mirror in. Not sure if that button was available in the 330i.

The rear view mirror does not fold in either the 330i or the 335i.

[Gripster]

Originally Posted by JSpira

The rear view mirror does not fold in either the 330i or the 335i.

Come on, he must have meant the door mirrors.

[Fester]

Originally Posted by StewtheBassman

I found it quite noisy when I drove it, like my '05 Subaru Legacy turbo


Anyway it's too expensive for me and I would probably kill myself doing a stupidass pass in it

Hey dude - describe 'noisy' to me. If you consider the finely tuned engine in anachoic chambers 'noisy' let me suggest - get a lexus instead! I don't even turn logic 7 music on just to listen to the engine music which BTW truly rocks :rocks:

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by sflgator

Whatever makes you feel better about justifying not trading your "1-year-old" 330i in. btw - the ~320+HP/TQ in the 335i compared to the 255HP 330i is more than noticeable; sorry, but considering the 335i's power is similar to the current M3 (actually, the TQ is more than the current M3), you'd have to be in major denial not to notice. Either that, or you just didn't push on the gas much.

320+...maybe in your manual... If you add 7% to 335, add 7% to 330 then, too. If they are conservative on the 335, I assume they would be on the 330, too. Or maybe you're kidding yourself that you actually got 320+ horses...

A simple math should be enough justification not to do the stupid thing and trade a year old car for a slightly improved version of the same one. However, you could always justify the "stupidity" if the 335 really blew you away, which obviously did not happen to him.

In any case, we'll see your reaction when 450+ HP (according to you) M3 comes out next year...

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by Fester

Hey dude - describe 'noisy' to me. If you consider the finely tuned engine in anachoic chambers 'noisy' let me suggest - get a lexus instead! I don't even turn logic 7 music on just to listen to the engine music which BTW truly rocks :rocks:

noisey = louder in this case...dude.
Some of us may like the 325/330/328 (isolated) sound better than the 335 or G35. Maybe you will too when you grow up

[StewtheBassman]

I like the sound of my engine, and no, thanks I don't want a crappy lexus either. Gimme a break, I found it noisy compared to my N52 tuning. Perhaps the 335 target market wants this sound?

For the record, I removed my carbon filter for a little more growl so don't bust my balls.




anachoic-what does this mean?

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by dr325i

320+...maybe in your manual... If you add 7% to 335, add 7% to 330 then, too. If they are conservative on the 335, I assume they would be on the 330, too. Or maybe you're kidding yourself that you actually got 320+ horses...

In any case, we'll see your reaction when 450+ HP (according to you) M3 comes out next year...

I guess you haven't read all the mag's reviews AND dyno's as well as the other independent dyno's done on the 335 in recent days (e.g. -- Shiv Vishnu doing his Xede installs on many 335i's -- doing base dynos on stock 335i's coming in at ~ 270-290WHP = approx. 310BHP - 330BHP). Even Edmunds.com dyno'd the 335i and got more ponies than what BMW "officially" says is 300HP/300 lb.-ft. TQ. Although admitedly I never followed the 330i's road tests and dyno's, I also haven't heard anyone say that the 330i's HP/TQ was underrated either. Also, I read somewhere here that according to BMW's own technical documentation that the drivetrain loss for the 335i Auto/Step is ~ 15%.

At any rate, it doesn't matter since my Xede will be installed in a week and my 335i's HP/TQ will likey be similar to the other Xede-equipped 335i's...around 365BHP+/375+ lb.-ft./TQ..not too bad for a non M!

btw - I believe what's expected for the new '08 M3 is supposed to be ~ 415HP, not 450HP.

If you haven't heard about what's going on with the Xede-equipped 335i's, then take a look...

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38595

Hmmm...what do you think about all that?

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by sflgator

I guess you haven't read all the mag's reviews AND dyno's as well as the other independednt dyno's done on the 335 in recent days (e.g. -- Shiv Vishnu doing his Xede installs on many 335i's -- doing base dynos on stock 335i's coming in at ~ 270-290WHP = approx. 310BHP - 330BHP). Even Edmunds.com dyno'd the 335i and got more ponies than what BMW "officially" says is 300HP/300 lb.-ft. TQ. Although admitedly I never followed the 330i's road tests and dyno's, I also haven't heard anyone say that the 330i's HP/TQ was underrated either. Also, I read somewhere here that according to BMW's own technical documentation that the drivetrain loss for the 335i Auto/Step is ~ 15%.

At any rate, it doesn't matter since my Xede will be installed in a week and my 335i's HP/TQ will likey be similar to the other Xede-equipped 335i's...around 365BHP+/375+ lb.-ft./TQ..not too bad for a non M!

btw - I believe what's expected for the new '08 M3 is supposed to be ~ 415HP, not 450HP.

If you haven't heard about what's going on with the Xede-equipped 335i's, then take a look...

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38595

Hmmm...what do you think about all that?

Blah, blah...no concrete proof for any of that.
All is based on probable loss that may not be correct. So, I will stick with 300 HP number than dummies at BMW claim...

As for the mods and other crap...I can modify the WRX to whatever horses, and then what??? If we had the Autobahn, I could understand, but throwing the money to get more than 300 HP that I will (almost) never use...

I know what is expected from the M3, but with your optimistic views, I can see next year's lines here claiming that the M3 actually has 480 HP and not 415 as the Bimmer specs it...

[sdiver68]

Originally Posted by dr325i

320+...maybe in your manual... If you add 7% to 335, add 7% to 330 then, too. If they are conservative on the 335, I assume they would be on the 330, too. Or maybe you're kidding yourself that you actually got 320+ horses...

A simple math should be enough justification not to do the stupid thing and trade a year old car for a slightly improved version of the same one. However, you could always justify the "stupidity" if the 335 really blew you away, which obviously did not happen to him.

In any case, we'll see your reaction when 450+ HP (according to you) M3 comes out next year...

Ummm, sorry you are dead wrong on the facts in this thread, and apparently do not understand the concept of forced induction either.

And when the new M3 comes out, and my chipped 335 is also producing 400+ HP, well let's just say the M3 is not that scary and not going to be worth $20K+ more....particularly with the GT-R coming out in the same price range...

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by sdiver68

Ummm, sorry you are dead wrong on the facts, and apparently do not understand the concept of forced induction.

And when the new M3 comes out, and my chipped 335 is also producing 400+ HP, well let's just say the M3 is not that scary and not going to be worth $20K+ more...

and then I chip my M3...

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by sdiver68

Ummm, sorry you are dead wrong on the facts in this thread, and apparently do not understand the concept of forced induction either.

And when the new M3 comes out, and my chipped 335 is also producing 400+ HP, well let's just say the M3 is not that scary and not going to be worth $20K+ more....particularly with the GT-R coming out in the same price range...

BTW, please teach me the concept of forced induction, I took all of my physics courses 15 years ago, and did not see any of them through the grad school...

[Zeroday]

Originally Posted by dr325i

and then I chip my M3...

a chip in an FI car goes a much longer way than a chip for a NA car. you won't see those kinds of gains for the m3 with just a chip.

[StewtheBassman]

Just a thought here, before this thread goes to hell....

Is the M3 V8 going to be naturally aspirated? If so, isn't that going to be hell to chip? I mean, our N52 engines are almost two years old and no reputable tuner has come up with a decent solution.....

[StewtheBassman]

Originally Posted by Zeroday

a chip in an FI car goes a much longer way than a chip for a NA car. you won't see those kinds of gains for the m3 with just a chip.

Okay, I was typing my post at the same time.