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      07-25-2021, 09:06 PM   #309
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Don't understand why people try to bring sales numbers into these arguments. The x3 outsells all m cars put together LOL
Well if you had ever run a business or were involved in sales in any way shape or form you would understand the only way to measure the success of a product or a service is by sales numbers. Outside of that there’s nothing more than opinion or speculation. Now those two things can be fun to discuss but they have no bearing on reality. Only sales. Only money spent.
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Well if you had ever run a business or were involved in sales in any way shape or form you would understand the only way to measure the success of a product or a service is by sales numbers. Outside of that there’s nothing more than opinion or speculation. Now those two things can be fun to discuss but they have no bearing on reality. Only sales. Only money spent.
Part of sales, a major part, is the marketing of said product or service. The ability to persuade, convince or introduce whatever it is you’re peddling is quintessential to success and as much art as science goes in to that effort. The sales result are simply the end result, or as those is the sales world refer to as lag measure is only half the story. The lead measures are typically what are being scrutinized here, and, quite frankly everywhere.
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Whoa...this render looks the most enticing...I love how the power dome and the bonnet vent work together to incite a racing car demeanour

Hopefully the real G87 will look even more aggressive
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Part of sales, a major part, is the marketing of said product or service. The ability to persuade, convince or introduce whatever it is you’re peddling is quintessential to success and as much art as science goes in to that effort. The sales result are simply the end result, or as those is the sales world refer to as lag measure is only half the story. The lead measures are typically what are being scrutinized here, and, quite frankly everywhere.
Lol. Try telling that to my sales manager. Try telling that to any sales manager. I’d love to see it.
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Whoa...this render looks the most enticing...I love how the power dome and the bonnet vent work together to incite a racing car demeanour

Hopefully the real G87 will look even more aggressive
That is a nice render.
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Lol. Try telling that to my sales manager. Try telling that to any sales manager. I’d love to see it.
I may know one, who’s owned a marketing company
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I will just keep quoting other posts, just maybe the topic will swing back to the G87.
I like the face on the blue one....

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I like the face on the blue one....

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The rendering effort is admirable, the lines need to be soften up a tad and then I think we might be closer to the real thing...bonnet vent and carbon roof would be cool too
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Part of sales, a major part, is the marketing of said product or service. The ability to persuade, convince or introduce whatever it is you’re peddling is quintessential to success and as much art as science goes in to that effort. The sales result are simply the end result, or as those is the sales world refer to as lag measure is only half the story. The lead measures are typically what are being scrutinized here, and, quite frankly everywhere.
I'm not even sure what this word salad is trying to say, and I read it twice!
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I'm not even sure what this word salad is trying to say, and I read it twice!
Maybe I’ll see you at cars and coffee one day and break it down if this doesn’t work…..

Sales: lag measure
Marketing: lead measure
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Whoa...this render looks the most enticing...I love how the power dome and the bonnet vent work together to incite a racing car demeanour

Hopefully the real G87 will look even more aggressive
Maybe if BMW sees this render enough they'll give us what we want. This thing looks awesome.
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Love this one

Not skewed like the other colors
I like that as well. The ability to now get individual colors on the G87 M2 keeps me interested.
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I like the face on the blue one....

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It is a good render of the China leaked bumper. Definitely hard to take the pic of a bumper laying flat on the ground and try to render it on a three dimensional object. Ultimately the bumper will have more shape to it when it is actually attached to the car. There is still that problem with the headlights not lining up and no room for a US sized plate.
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Whoa...this render looks the most enticing...I love how the power dome and the bonnet vent work together to incite a racing car demeanour

Hopefully the real G87 will look even more aggressive
Maybe if BMW sees this render enough they'll give us what we want. This thing looks awesome.
BMW is already done with the M2. These renders aren't going to change anything (…if they don't accurately depict what's coming).
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I like the face on the blue one....

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These renders actually look alright from a head on perspective! The issue is that as soon as you turn the car and start to get a view of the rest of the car, it’s a complete mess
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Love this one





Not skewed like the other colors
I like that as well. The ability to now get individual colors on the G87 M2 keeps me interested.
That's actually a really important benefit this time around

I am lucky I have one of the best colors the M2 ever came in Mineral Gray Metallic

I'm not sure what individual color I would pick

What individual Color would you pick ⁉️
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Love this one





Not skewed like the other colors
I like that as well. The ability to now get individual colors on the G87 M2 keeps me interested.
That's actually a really important benefit this time around

I am lucky I have one of the best colors the M2 ever came in Mineral Gray Metallic

I'm not sure what individual color I would pick

What individual Color would you pick
Phoenix yellow

Latest renders look real nice too
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I'm not even sure what this word salad is trying to say, and I read it twice!
Maybe I’ll see you at cars and coffee one day and break it down if this doesn’t work…..

Sales: lag measure
Marketing: lead measure
Sure sure sure

But it's not always a given
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That's actually a really important benefit this time around

I am lucky I have one of the best colors the M2 ever came in Mineral Gray Metallic

I'm not sure what individual color I would pick

What individual Color would you pick ⁉️
Tough choice, I have some in mind. If I want something bright maybe a Santorini Blue or Atacama Yellow. But I am thinking maybe a green, never owned a green car. Urban Green with Cognac interior would look more understated or classy. A lot time to think about it, as it is looking like a 2023 delivery. Also the minor detail about liking to final product.
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That's actually a really important benefit this time around

I am lucky I have one of the best colors the M2 ever came in Mineral Gray Metallic

I'm not sure what individual color I would pick

What individual Color would you pick ⁉️
Tough choice, I have some in mind. If I want something bright maybe a Santorini Blue or Atacama Yellow. But I am thinking maybe a green, never owned a green car. Like an Urban Green with Cognac interior.
Those sounds like nice color choices

I might consider Crimson Red

I absolutely love it

A proper Red

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Maybe if BMW sees this render enough they'll give us what we want. This thing looks awesome.
That ship has sailed.

A new car design is usually signed off long time in advance. Registering a new car is a time-consuming process of steps, nationally and internationally. And if someone on the face of the earth who gets access to confidential documents abuses his/her professional duties and leaks confidential information, then pictures of reverse-engineered stuff (often of questionable quality and disregarding required safety standards) based off leaked info can surface someday. Quite frustrating for car manufacturers that way too often their confidential info gets into the hands of the counterfeit and replica industry even before official release of a new car.

Only minor design tweaks are still possible. Trivia fun fact about the E82 1M: the 1M was initially supposed to get halogen headlights as standard equipment, rather than the more expensive Xenon headlights. Reason: BMW M intended to launch the 1M onto the German market in 2011 for less than €50K (entry level BMW M car). However, the 1M featuring halogen headlights is told to have failed the TüV certification test. Reason for the failure was fully 1M design related: parking lights of the halogen headlights were physically positioned too much inwards because of the 1M 'wide fenders' design (wider than the stock E82 1-Series fenders). And so BMW quickly switched to plan B for homologation purposes: exit halogen headlights / enter Xenon headlights as standard equipment on every 1M worldwide (the parking lights are positioned more external because of the 'angel eyes' design). But this change pushed the base price of the 1M right over the psychological €50K barrier on the German market.

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The render is probably more accurate than the leak looking at recent BMW designs - thinking logically about it, the leak is likely just a camo panel for the M2 test mule.

BMW makes some comprehensive plastic panels to screw into the test mules to hide the shape of the real car.
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