Girlfriend Bought A 2012 X5 x50i - Now I'm worried

[Sophisticated Redneck]

Originally Posted by crystalworks

x2 to that. Just placed another order today. Usually spend $2000-4000/yr there (have 5 Bimmers) but have used their lifetime replacement guarantee multiple times and get a few hundred back a year between service items like belts, plugs, trans pans/bolts (especially nice to get $$$ back), etc.

Good luck OP, looks like a fairly standard report for a "high" mileage BMW. Could have been much, much worse.

Ya they can't be beat with that warranty and their service.

[Sophisticated Redneck]

Originally Posted by Buddyl33

So question on the turbo replacement. It's a rather pricey shop item at around $7000 parts and labor. Surely there is a less expensive route that falls between full shop replacement and full DIY.

That's about double what a resonable Indie shop should charge. I've done the work myself so I know exactly what it entails. Usually turbo replacement is a miserable job, but in N63/S63 is pretty easy since reverse flow engine, turbos are on top and easy to access.

New Garret Turbos - 1K each, available multiple sources online

New Gaskets & V Clamps - 100 (OEM aftermarket)

New Oil return lines, Oil feed lines - 350

6-8 hours of labor 1000-1600 depending on shop.

So even on the high side you are looking at 3500-4K. Not sure where that other 3K is coming from. Unless they are getting all parts from dealer, if so then RUN do not walk to another shop.

BTW, why did they tell you need new turbos?

Also, consider replacing the turbo oil return housing while you are doing the work, its right there and will only add 100 dollars to the cost.

[X5_in_SF]

Honestly, I would encourage her to sell the car. Not worth it. I have a 2012 X5 N63 and am the original owner. BMW seriously screwed up on the engine. Huge black eye for them, including the class action lawsuit. They should have recalled every one.

[heatmizr]

Redneck -
Why is TIS required for removing and re-installing the Alternator?
I did my turbo coolant T's and want to do the Y connector next... I hadn't seen mention of TIS for doing that job until your posts here...
Are you saying use TIS just to better understand the steps, or is there some secret stuff I need to know? (honestly I've never seen TIS, so not sure what I am missing)

[Sophisticated Redneck]

Originally Posted by heatmizr

Redneck -
Why is TIS required for removing and re-installing the Alternator?
I did my turbo coolant T's and want to do the Y connector next... I hadn't seen mention of TIS for doing that job until your posts here...
Are you saying use TIS just to better understand the steps, or is there some secret stuff I need to know? (honestly I've never seen TIS, so not sure what I am missing)

I recommended he get TIS as he is new to the X5 and having the resource really helps out even for basic stuff like the alternator and especially if you do a turbo replacement. PM me if you want to learn how to access.

[Buddyl33]

So a new issue popped up last night. Passenger side heat stopped working as well or all together. Thoughts?

[Thecastle]

Seems like this question comes up frequently.

Commonly it’s the heater control valve that fails.

Start by checking the temp of the heater hoses going to the firewall while heat is on. If their not hot it’s the heater control valve.

Also check your coolant level.

[Buddyl33]

For those who've been helping, here's the largest service record I could find on the vehicle:

Wed May 19, 202162148

Advisor
24619 (John M Strode)Miles
110442RO Status
COMPLETEDTotal Tech Hours
0.00Warranty Total
0.00Cust Total
1171.01Int Total
0.00Misc Total
0.00

Services

1

46BMZRTBAL C BALANCE AND ROTATE (Tech 123631)

Complaint: CUSTOMER REQUEST TIRE BALANCE AND ROTATE-SHAKING AT 60-70 MPH. ADVISE. Cause: CUSTOMER REQUESTS TIRE BALANCE AND ROTATE Correction: PER CUSTOMER REQUEST, BALANCED AND ROTATED TIRES.

2

45BMZALIGN C *4 WHEEL ALIGNMENT (Tech 123631)

Complaint: CUSTOMER REQUEST 4 WHEEL ALIGNMENT Cause: PERFORM ALIGNMENT Correction: PERFORMED 4 WHEEL ALIGNMENT

3

00BMZVL80000610 C 8 CYL. OIL SERVICE (Tech 123631)

Complaint: 8 CYLINDER VALUE LINE OIL AND FILTER SERVICE. 0000610 Cause: 8 CYLINDER VALUE LINE OIL AND FILTER SERVICE. Correction: PERFORMED OIL AND FILTER SERVICE. RESET CBS DATA

4

01BMZBFC C BRAKE FLUID CHANGE (Tech 123631)

Complaint: CUSTOMER STATES BRAKE FLUSH DUE PER CBS DATA Cause: BRAKE FLUSH DUE PER CBS DATA Correction: BRAKE FLUSH PERFORMED PER BMW GUIDELINES

5

01BMZRM C REPLACE MICROFILTER (Tech 123631)

Complaint: CUSTOMER STATES MICRO FILTER SERVICE DUE PER CBS DATA Cause: MICROFILTER SERVICE DUE PER CBS DATA Correction: MICROFILTER(S) REPLACED PER BMW GUIDELINES

6

01BMZIS C REPL INTAKE SILENCER (Tech 123631)

Complaint: CUSTOMER STATES AIR FILTER DUE PER CBS DATA Cause: AIR FILTER DUE PER CBS DATA Correction: AIR FILTER PERFORMED PER BMW GUIDELINES

7

00BMZMPI C MPI (Tech 123631)

Complaint: PERFORM MULTIPOINT INSPECTION Correction: INSPECTION COMPLETED

Parts

126

BM64-11-9-248-294

SET, MICROFI BMSA

.00

127

BM11-42-7-583-220

SET OIL-FILT BMRRSA

.00

128

BM83-21-2-450-384

BMW GROUP LL

.00

129

BM81-22-0-142-156

BRAKE FLUID BCBMMI

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130

BM64-31-9-194-098

MICROFILTER, BMSA

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131

BM13-71-7-577-458

AIR FILTER E BMSA

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132

BM13-71-7-577-457

AIR FILTER E BMSA

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Total:

360.95

Comments:
X0132D7Q1B:CUSTOMER REQUESTED A LOANER CC created 2021-05-11 10:29: 00am taken by John Strode

Wed Jan 20, 202158393

Advisor
115944 (DEREK GOODHART)Miles
102975RO Status
COMPLETEDTotal Tech Hours
0.00Warranty Total
0.00Cust Total

0.00Misc Total
0.00

Services

1

10BMZ06 C CHECK ENGINE LIGHT (Tech 121117)

Complaint: C/S: cel came on a week ago. Vehicle is running in reduced power mode. Advise Cause: INTAKE CAM SENSOR FAULTY Correction: CONNECTED BATTERY CHARGER. PERFORMED VEHICLE TEST. FOND FAULTS FOR INTAKE CAM SENSOR. CHECKED TIMING OF VANOS ADJUSTMENT. CHECKED PLUGS AND CONNECTIONS. SWAPPED EXHAUST AND INTAKE CAM SENSOR, FOUND INTAKE CAM SENSOR TO BE FAULTY. REPLACED SENSOR. ASSEMBLED VEHICLE AS PER REP. DELETED FAULT MEMORY. NO ISSUES AT THIS TIME.

2

46BMZA C TIRE PRESSURE CHECK (Tech 121117)

Complaint: COURTESY TIRE PRESSURE CHECK AND ADJUST TO MANUFACTURES RECOMMENDATIONS Cause: COURTESY TIRE PRESSURE CHECK

Parts

214

BM13-62-7-525-014

CAMSHAFT POS BMBIMI

.00

215

BM12-14-1-748-398

O-RING BCBMBI

.00





Total:

0.00

Comments:
WAIT created 2021-01-20 02:19:00pm taken by Zachary Rives

Wed Sep 2, 202054289

Advisor
115944 (DEREK GOODHART)Miles
94146RO Status
COMPLETEDTotal Tech Hours
0.00Warranty Total
0.00Cust Total

0.00Misc Total
0.00

Services

1

10BMZ11 C ENGINE RUNS ROUGH (Tech 113579)

Complaint: C/S STARTED RUNNING ROUGH TODAY WHILE DRIVING, SHAKING WHILE ACCELERATING. CHECK ENGINE LIGHT HAS BEEN ON AND OFF. IT WENT INTO REDUCED POWER MODE. Cause: RUNNING ROUGH Correction: performed short test, found misfire cylinder #4 code 2b19, swapped spark plug #4 with #3 and coil #4 with #2, performed short test and misfire cylinder #2 , found faulty coil REPLACED 1 IGNITION COIL AND 1 SPARK PLUG ON CYLINDER #4.

2

00BMZMPI C MPI (Tech 113579)

Complaint: PERFORM MULTIPOINT INSPECTION Correction: INSPECTION COMPLETED

Parts

238

BM12-13-8-616-153

IGNITION COI BMMIRR

.00

239

BM12-12-0-037-580

SPARK PLUG, BMRRSA

.00





Total:

0.00

Comments:

Wed Aug 12, 202053605

Advisor
103650 (CLINT WONG)Miles
92345RO Status
COMPLETEDTotal Tech Hours
0.00Warranty Total
0.00Cust Total

0.00Misc Total
0.00

Services

1

46BMZR1 C *REPLACE 1 TIRE (Tech 113579)

Complaint: CUSTOMER REQUEST TO HAVE 1 TIRE REPLACED, CONTINENTAL 315/35R20 ON HOLD Cause: INSPECT AND REPLACE TIRE Correction: replaced driver rear tire

2

00BMZMPIM C MPI INTERIM (Tech 113579)

Complaint: PERFORM MULTIPOINT INSPECTION Correction: INSPECTION COMPLETED

Parts

166

BM36-11-2-450-171

CONTINENTAL BM

.00

167

BM21113

TPMS SERVICE

.00





Total:

0.00

Comments:
++WAITER++

Wed Jul 8, 202052488

Advisor
115944 (DEREK GOODHART)Miles
90413RO Status
COMPLETEDTotal Tech Hours
0.00Warranty Total
0.00Cust Total

0.00Misc Total
0.00

Services

1

10BMZ C DRIVEABILITY (Tech 113579)

Complaint: C/S: VEHICLE WILL NOT START HAS BEEN DIAGNOSED AS NEEDING A STARTER. CUSTOMER PROVIDING THEIR OWN STARTER. NO PARTS WARRANTY. Cause: faulty starter Correction: removed/ replaced starter

Parts





Total:

0.00

Comments:
X01YEDJZL0:CUSTOMER REQUESTED A LOANER created 2020-07-08 08:15:00a m taken by Matthew Bayer

Wed Mar 11, 202049567

Advisor
115944 (DEREK GOODHART)Miles
85337RO Status
COMPLETEDTotal Tech Hours
0.00Warranty Total
0.00Cust Total

0.00Misc Total
0.00

Services

1

46BMZR2 C *REPLACE 2 TIRES (Tech 107493)

Complaint: CUSTOMER REQUEST;REPLACE 2 TIRES - HELD ON INVOICE Cause: REPLACE TIRE

2

00BMZMPIM C MPI INTERIM (Tech 107493)

Complaint: PERFORM MULTIPOINT INSPECTION - NOT NEEDED, RECENTLY PERFORMED Correction: INSPECTION NOT COMPLETED

Parts

154

BM36-11-2-450-172

CONTINENTAL BM

.00

155

BM21032

TPMS SERVICE

.00





Total:

0.00

Comments:
X013ONZ4YW:WAIT CC created 2020-03-04 03:00:00pm taken by Derek Goo dhart

Mon Feb 24, 202049045

Advisor
115944 (DEREK GOODHART)Miles
84698RO Status
COMPLETEDTotal Tech Hours
0.00Warranty Total
0.00Cust Total

0.00Misc Total
0.00

Services

1

46BMZR1 C *REPLACE 1 TIRE (Tech 999999)

Complaint: CUSTOMER REQUEST TO HAVE 1 TIRE REPLACED, RIGHT REAR Cause: SEE LINE 3 FOR REPAIR

2

00BMZMPIM C MPI INTERIM (Tech 123878)

Complaint: PERFORM MULTIPOINT INSPECTION - NOT NEEDED, JUST PERFORMED Correction: INSPECTION COMPLETED

3

46BMZR2 C *REPLACE 2 TIRES (Tech 123878)

Complaint: CUSTOMER REQUEST;REPLACE 2 REAR TIRES Cause: REPLACE TIRE Correction: replaced both rear tires

Parts

297

BM36-11-2-450-171

CONTINENTAL BM

.00

298

BM21032

TPMS SERVICE

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Total:

0.00

Comments:

Mon Feb 3, 202048264

Advisor
115944 (DEREK GOODHART)Miles
83489RO Status
COMPLETEDTotal Tech Hours
0.00Warranty Total

0.00Int Total
0.00Misc Total
0.00

Services

1

10BMZ W DRIVEABILITY (Tech 120154)

Complaint: CUSTOMER STATES THAT SHE IS BEING PROMPTED BY THE VEHICLE TO TOP OFF OIL FREQUENTLY. CUSTOMER IS ELIGIBLE FOR BENEFITS OF N63 CLASS ACTION SETTLEMENT. Cause: N63 class action, blue smoke present SIB012118 Correction: 1) Performed blue smoke test and verified blue smoke is present. Found valve guide seals were replaced on 06/07/2019 at center 61100. (2 DW) Inspected turbochargers for leaks and found signs of oil on compressor wheel and outlet of turbocharger. Submitted TSARA case #173468 and instructed to performed blue smoke inspection/ checklist outlined by SIB012118. (end DW) (3) Performed blue smoke checklist, inspected front timing cover, upper oil pan gasket, rear bell housing, engine valley, turbocharger return cover, and turbochargers. Connected battery charger and performed short test. Performed timing chain test plan and found timing chains are okay at this time. Removed all spark plugs and performed cylinder compression test, found compression test is within BMW specifications. Updated TSARA case and authorized engine replacement and turbocharger replacement with customer contribution of 45% and BMW contribution of 55%. Provided estimate for repairs

2

00BMZMPI I MPI (Tech 120154)

Complaint: PERFORM MULTIPOINT INSPECTION Correction: INSPECTION COMPLETED

Parts





Total:

0.00

Comments:

Tue Jan 21, 202048145

Advisor
115944 (DEREK GOODHART)Miles
83309RO Status
COMPLETEDTotal Tech Hours
0.00Warranty Total
0.00Cust Total

0.00Misc Total
0.00

Services

1

00BMZVL8 C 8 CYL. OIL SERVICE (Tech 113579)

Complaint: $129.95 VALUE LINE ENGINE OIL AND FILTER SERVICE Cause: 8 CYLINDER OIL AND FILTER SERVICE Correction: PERFORMED ENGINE OIL AND FILTER SERVICE

2

00BMZMPI C MPI (Tech 113579)

Complaint: PERFORM MULTIPOINT INSPECTION Correction: INSPECTION COMPLETED

Parts

124

BM11-42-7-583-220

SET OIL-FILT BMRRSA

.00

125

BM83-21-2-450-384

BMW GROUP LL

.00





Total:

0.00

Comments:
++WAITER++

Tue Sep 24, 201944583

Advisor
115944 (DEREK GOODHART)Miles
77812RO Status
COMPLETEDTotal Tech Hours
0.00Warranty Total
0.00Misc Total
0.00

Services

1

50BMZ C ENGINE ELECTRICAL (Tech 120154)

Complaint: C/S: PROGRAM VEHICLE. ELECTRONIC PARKING BRAKE REPLACED ELSE WHERE. Cause: Customer states EMF control module replaced else where and wants EMF programmed/ encoded Correction: Connected battery charger and performed ISTA-P programming. Performed EMF programming and encoding per customers request. Performed EMF activation and found EMF whining is extremely loud. Verified that parking malfunction is no longer present at this time and rear wheels are locking when activated.

2

00BMZ C QUICK SERVICE (Tech 120154)

Complaint: C/S NEED TO ADD 1 QUART OF OIL, OIL CHANGE DECLINED AT THIS TIME Correction: See advisor

3

12BMZ07 W EXCESSIVE SMOKE (Tech 120154)

Complaint: C/S VEHICLE IS USING OIL AND SEE'S SMOKE FROM THE EXHAUST WHEN STARTING OUT AFTER SITTING AT A STOP. CUSTOMER ADDED AFTER WRITE UP. Cause: SIB012118 Correction: Checked vehicle history and found valve guide seals/ engine repairs completed on 6/07/2019. Connected battery charger and performed engine oil quantity adjustment, found engine oil 1.0L low. Topped off engine oil per test plan and performed engine oil level quantity test plan, verified engine oil level is at 9.0L at 77,821miles. Advise client to return when vehicle has been driven between 750-1000 miles to perform another consumption test

Parts





Total:

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Comments:
X01D77Z6VH:SHUTTLE created 2019-09-19 05:18:00pm taken by Paul Rank er

Wed Aug 28, 201943688

Advisor
115944 (DEREK GOODHART)Miles
76388RO Status
COMPLETEDTotal Tech Hours
0.00Warranty Total

0.00Misc Total
0.00

Services

1

40BMZ1 C BRAKE CONCERN (Tech 111586)

Complaint: C/S: PARKING BRAKE MALFUNCTION LIGHT IS- INSPECT AND ADVISE Cause: emf faulty Correction: found emf mechanically jammed and communication faults. tested wiring to emf and found correct wiring. found emf internally faulty. customer declined repairs

2

00BMZMPI C MPI (Tech 111586)

Complaint: PERFORM MULTIPOINT INSPECTION Correction: INSPECTION COMPLETED

[Serf27]

My biggest fear was the valve stem failure on the n63. Each one I looked at, I checked the carfax to see if they had been replaced, only 1 out of the like 20 I looked at, had that work done.
And I really wanted the 50i! But the one that had the valve stem seals done sold before I could grab it. Didn’t find another one so got a n55.

[Buddyl33]

Well now it's going into limp mode while driving. Idling rough as hell. Not sure if it's the fuel pump, injectors, or plugs/coils.

[Serf27]

Originally Posted by Buddyl33

Well now it's going into limp mode while driving. Idling rough as hell. Not sure if it's the fuel pump, injectors, or plugs/coils.

I would get bimmergeeks protools app and scan for codes.
It’s easy to use and quick to check for errors.

[Buddyl33]

Originally Posted by Serf27

I would get bimmergeeks protools app and scan for codes.
It’s easy to use and quick to check for errors.

I hadn't heard of this tool. Do a lot of people use it? It looks like it does more than just pull generic OBDII codes (which I can currently do with Torque Pro and a generic BT OBDII adapter). Is that correct?

[Sophisticated Redneck]

Originally Posted by Buddyl33

I hadn't heard of this tool. Do a lot of people use it? It looks like it does more than just pull generic OBDII codes (which I can currently do with Torque Pro and a generic BT OBDII adapter). Is that correct?

Protools reads all BMW codes and can code BMW's if you pay to upgrade it. Other options are foxwell NT510 or better scanners with BMW software or laptop + DCAN cable with ISTA. Laptop with ISTA is cheapest and most powerful (assuming you already have a laptop). Also most difficult to use as steep learning curve.

[Buddyl33]

Originally Posted by Sophisticated Redneck

Protools reads all BMW codes and can code BMW's if you pay to upgrade it. Other options are foxwell NT510 or better scanners with BMW software or laptop + DCAN cable with ISTA. Laptop with ISTA is cheapest and most powerful (assuming you already have a laptop). Also most difficult to use as steep learning curve.

Looks like there are "borrowed" versions of ISTA out there that I've seen. I know a legit version is not cheap.

[Serf27]

Originally Posted by Buddyl33

I hadn't heard of this tool. Do a lot of people use it? It looks like it does more than just pull generic OBDII codes (which I can currently do with Torque Pro and a generic BT OBDII adapter). Is that correct?

Yes, that’s correct. I call the scan a deep scan, it will scan and show each fault in each module. It is lifetimes ahead of a plain obd2 scanner.
I’ve never used ista, I tried a few times and could never figure it out.
Protools can be used on an android phone or tablet and translates everything to English.
You can also change code settings in each module with it.

[Buddyl33]

Originally Posted by Sophisticated Redneck

Protools reads all BMW codes and can code BMW's if you pay to upgrade it. Other options are foxwell NT510 or better scanners with BMW software or laptop + DCAN cable with ISTA. Laptop with ISTA is cheapest and most powerful (assuming you already have a laptop). Also most difficult to use as steep learning curve.

Do you have any solid links to current versions of ISTA?

[Sophisticated Redneck]

Originally Posted by Buddyl33

Do you have any solid links to current versions of ISTA?

Sent you a PM with a link.

[Buddyl33]

So I couldn't be more frustrated after today. The vehicle started going into limp mode immediately at the beginning of this week. It idles really rough and has a noticable loss of power. Dropped it off at the shop that I use and codes show a misfire happening in a cylinder on each side. So said it was the spark plugs, which is what I suspected.

So I took the car home and changed it all the plugs and coils with parts from FCP euro. I torqued the plugs to 23nM and checked the gap in them all. Everything was good.

Got everything back together and the problem is still there. I thought is going to be the hero and save her a shit run of maintenance costs for a simple job. Kinda feeling like a zero at the moment.

[Serf27]

So the codes just said random misfire?

[Buddyl33]

Originally Posted by Serf27

So the codes just said random misfire?

I didn't see the codes. The shop, a BMW specialty shop, said there were misfires in two cylinders and even told me the cylinders. I don't remember off hand which ones they were. I do remember it was one on each side. They also said replacing the plugs would fix it. Well I replaced the plugs and coils and the problem is still there.

[Serf27]

Did you have the codes cleared after you did the work?
You should invest in your own scanner that will read all Bmw faults if you’ll be attempting to fix this yourself.

A code for an injector may have also been present for cylinder misfire.

[My135i]

Originally Posted by Buddyl33

I didn't see the codes. The shop, a BMW specialty shop, said there were misfires in two cylinders and even told me the cylinders. I don't remember off hand which ones they were. I do remember it was one on each side. They also said replacing the plugs would fix it. Well I replaced the plugs and coils and the problem is still there.

Pull the plugs again and smell it, if it smells like gas and it's wet, chances are it's your injectors! Do that at least to the cylinders that's misfiring. I had the same case but different times