Still want an EV?

[BGM-M3COMP]

Yeah today was fun. Now I know when ever ev is talked about on this forum people will think of me

I love how psychology works.

Now back to our ev future talk!!!! Lmaoooo

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

So, it's coming this week or next? Just pulled from the Tesla website, there are 10 Plaids available in inventory 100 miles from zip 07001. And if you order today...

Comeonman. Lmfaooooo

Trolling the troll. Well played.

[M5Rick]

'Ticking time bombs' Scotty spells it out.

[gonzo]

In other news: Germany officially enters recession.
Wouldn't listen. Even snickered. Look at ya now.

Dominoes start falling in 3, 2, 1...

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by gonzo

In other news: Germany officially enters recession.
Wouldn't listen. Even snickered. Look at ya now.

Dominoes start falling in 3, 2, 1...

Guess they didn't get the memo over there...recession has been redefined.

[gonzo]

^
I fact checked your statement and Snopes had "Shut up and obey" for the answer.

[KRS_SN]

This is very promising..zero emissions..and reduced weight.
https://youtu.be/auvqe-4At9c

[chad86tsi]

EV's are sexist and racist, too.

New report reveals the troubling reason more men own electric vehicles than women: ‘You have to think [it] through’

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/tech...dd41865b&ei=13

[KRS_SN]

An so it begins nearer to the deadline..
https://www.ft.com/content/21beeb8d-...4-a976d3f0b90c

Outraged and furious’: Germans rebel against gas boiler ban

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

I had my vasectomy btw. And my gf doesn’t even know.

It’s good to “keep trying to have a kid” though. She’ll understand soon enough lmaooo

Probably could've got some of the folks on here to chip in for it.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

Probably could've got some of the folks on here to chip in for it.

I’m not marrying this girl and she knows it.

When I’m done filling her up like a Twinkie she’s up for grabs. That’s why she’s on tinder. Lmaoooo

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by zx10guy

Aside from the charging station actually working, there are issues with the car itself. There have been a few Youtube videos of EVs that were having software problems. Some required a software update to work with the charging station correctly. Imagine having to sit there doing an over the air update further delaying your trip. Some required a total system reboot to work correctly.

Yet another talking point on what I brought up many posts back that the lack of a standard for charging will cause all these issues.

And that's another major issue with EV. If the charging gets standardized then the potential for future advancement in charging technology gets locked, which then locks the battery technology. That is not conducive to competition in design and implementation, so then the advancement of EV is muted. As you pointed out many posts back, ICE has standardized the charging protocols, but because ICE technology is not reliant on the charging protocols, the technology of ICE continues to advance.

Tesla's company-private charging network is proprietary, which offers lots of advantages mostly because on the networking side where the network has command and control over the charging sequencing of the users on the network and controls their pathways to optimize the charging infrastructure. How that scales to tens of millions of Tesla travelers on a saturated Tesla charging network is an interesting question; I'm sure Elon has a plan... But how such charging command and control would translate to a dis-homologated DC Fast-Charging network owned by numerous private companies all vying for the electron dollar is a highly entertaining question - for you IT networking guys .

EV road tripping works well on Tesla's private network, even though it is still limited compared to ICE, it does work for most Tesla owners if they know how to properly use the technology and give up some privacy rights along the way. I don't see such advantages becoming viable on the DC-Fast Charging infrastructure, which is a roadblock to mass adoption of EV if there is no ICE backup*. Tesla can't be the World's only EV supplier.

Why we let Leadership screw with any of this is beyond my rational understanding.




*The whole idea of this forced move to BEV is to eventually rid the Earth of ICE.

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

And that's another major issue with EV. If the charging gets standardized then the potential for future advancement in charging technology gets locked, which then locks the battery technology. That is not conducive to competition in design and implementation, so then the advancement of EV is muted. As you pointed out many posts back, ICE has standardized the charging protocols, but because ICE technology is not reliant on the charging protocols, the technology of ICE continues to advance.

Tesla's company-private charging network is proprietary, which offers lots of advantages mostly because on the networking side where the network has command and control over the charging sequencing of the users on the network and controls their pathways to optimize the charging infrastructure. How that scales to tens of millions of Tesla travelers on a saturated Tesla charging network is an interesting question; I'm sure Elon has a plan... But how such charging command and control would translate to a dis-homologated DC Fast-Charging network owned by numerous private companies all vying for the electron dollar is a highly entertaining question - for you IT networking guys .

EV road tripping works well on Tesla's private network, even though it is still limited compared to ICE, it does work for most Tesla owners if they know how to properly use the technology and give up some privacy rights along the way. I don't see such advantages becoming viable on the DC-Fast Charging infrastructure, which is a roadblock to mass adoption of EV if there is no ICE backup*. Tesla can't [...]

All this shit gained traction pre covid and pre inflation where money was cheap utilities were cheap etc and there was money to borrow at a cheap rate to spunk on this stuff. The dynamics are changing. When people are dying due to lack of food and lack of ability to heat their home and cannot purchase/drive a car to get them to work so that food can be put on the table for some co2 target this vanity project will come crashing down like a pack of cards.

[gonzo]

^
Watching what seems to be utter incompetence, it begs to question if it is all intentional.
Evilness is alive and kicking.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

All this shit gained traction pre covid and pre inflation where money was cheap utilities were cheap etc and there was money to borrow at a cheap rate to spunk on this stuff. The dynamics are changing. When people are dying due to lack of food and lack of ability to heat their home and cannot purchase/drive a car to get them to work so that food can be put on the table for some co2 target this vanity project will come crashing down like a pack of cards.

The cost of utilities is going up because of the push to BEV. That is the issue.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by gonzo

^
Watching what seems to be utter incompetence, it begs to question if it is all intentional.
Evilness is alive and kicking.

It is definitely intentional.

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

The cost of utilities is going up because of the push to BEV. That is the issue.

And everyone is subsidizing this EV push through paying for higher electricity rates regardless of if one owns an EV and regardless of income. If one wants to get down to the "brass tacks", this is a reverse tax penalty on the low income. Segment of the population that has to pay for electricity where any increase is a larger percentage of their income and are also the ones that can't afford to buy an EV.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by zx10guy

And everyone is subsidizing this EV push through paying for higher electricity rates regardless of if one owns an EV and regardless of income. If one wants to get down to the "brass tacks", this is a reverse tax penalty on the low income segment of the population that has to pay for electricity where any increase is a larger percentage of their income and are also the ones that can't afford to buy an EV.

Precisely, it's electricity and petrol-fuels, which increase the price of all goods and services. It is absolutely disgusting, but [political theme blocked...].

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

It is definitely intentional.

Right on cue after our posts:

"Incompetence, in the limit, is indistinguishable from sabotage"
Elon Musk

[shawnhayes]

You guys still going?

I mean, all of this is potentially valid, but the market will move the way it does. The new tesla model 3 prices and the regain of the tax break on it makes things look very very different.

But we'll see, I guess.

Shawn

[Limegrntaln]

I'll have something electric in the next 6-12 months. I never add up cost of fuel, but, I feel like I fueled up a little more than I normally do, and I actually added up fuel cost for the month of April. $744.08. It just doesn't make sense for me to keep putting premium, which is shit 91 octane, in California, and paying $5.29 a gallon, just to commute to work, and take a few trips to Reno.

My solar panels would probably make up for most of what home charging costs me. I don't pay electricity bills. I generally have a bill credit, even in the summer, and I only have 12 panels on 2,700 sqft, 5 bed. I have a 250kw Supercharger 4 miles from my house. 3 years of free supercharging would pay for more than half of the car, in 4-5 years. Not to mention $7,500 federal and $2,000 California tax credit.

[shawnhayes]

Originally Posted by Limegrntaln

I'll have something electric in the next 6-12 months. I never add up cost of fuel, but, I feel like I fueled up a little more than I normally do, and I actually added up fuel cost for the month of April. $744.08. It just doesn't make sense for me to keep putting premium, which is shit 91 octane, in California, and paying $5.29 a gallon, just to commute to work, and take a few trips to Reno.

My solar panels would probably make up for most of what home charging costs me. I don't pay electricity bills. I generally have a bill credit, even in the summer, and I only have 12 panels on 2,700 sqft, 5 bed. I have a 250kw Supercharger 4 miles from my house. 3 years of free supercharging would pay for more than half of the car, in 4-5 years. Not to mention $7,500 federal and $2,000 California tax credit.

And THIS is why electric cars have momentum.

It's called "math"

Shawn