M10 M5 wheel to e70 retrofit

[pjfox23]

I had a chance to speak to module builder this morning.

I asked if this module and wheel will work in M versions of e70.

He stated,

Unfortunatelly is not possible without the Exx NBT adapter and an NBT headunit installed in car.

So, I'm out. I will uninstall this module and put back the original wheel today. Good soldering practice...sigh.


I want to follow up for anyone else thinking of doing this mode. Be aware of the following:

You will most likely need the NBT retrofit and the NBT retrofit module. Two additional parts.

It is a fair amount of wiring. Took me about 2 hours start to finish.

The cost of the F10, full option wheel and module is a good amount.

I'm not sure it looks all that much better, honestly. But, that could be my own bias (especially since I won't get it to work).

[boneca]

Originally Posted by pjfox23

I had a chance to speak to module builder this morning.

I asked if this module and wheel will work in M versions of e70.

He stated,




So, I'm out. I will uninstall this module and put back the original wheel today. Good soldering practice...sigh.


I want to follow up for anyone else thinking of doing this mode. Be aware of the following:

You will most likely need the NBT retrofit and the NBT retrofit module. Two additional parts.

It is a fair amount of wiring. Took me about 2 hours start to finish.

The cost of the F10, full option wheel and module is a good amount.

I'm not sure it looks all that much better, honestly. But, that could be my own bias (especially since I won't get it to work).

Thank you for doing practical research, u probably just saved me $2+

I never noticed that everyone who did this retrofit had NBT done already (all?) I will have to check on that! I remember talking to car systems few months ago and I'm pretty sure I mentioned I had X5M but I don't recall NBT conversation at all!

Not looking for doing NBT as I'm pretty happy with my ///AVIN unit, so we'll see...

Thanks again

[pjfox23]

Originally Posted by boneca

Not looking for doing NBT as I'm pretty happy with my ///AVIN unit, so we'll see...

Same here. I have the AVIN and no desire to put more money into screens/navs.

It could be that car systems module is different; I will take some pics today.

[pjfox23]

Upon further inspection, something happened with one of the on-board computers. I replaced the KOMBI fuse, and the wipers now work, and the instrument cluster now works.

With the Fxx wheel on there, the buttons now work. Still no M buttons though.

So, slight update, you can add the wheel on F10 wheel on e70 X5M - just don't expect the M button to work unless you have NBT retrofit. At least, that's my experience.

If anyone knows a way around this, please let me know.

[boneca]

Originally Posted by pjfox23

Upon further inspection, something happened with one of the on-board computers. I replaced the KOMBI fuse, and the wipers now work, and the instrument cluster now works.

With the Fxx wheel on there, the buttons now work. Still no M buttons though.

So, slight update, you can add the wheel on F10 wheel on e70 X5M - just don't expect the M button to work unless you have NBT retrofit. At least, that's my experience.

I guess this is better news but if M button doesn't work its still not good, I don't think u want to drive M car without M capabilities...

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Yikes! Sorry to hear the issues.

Mine went flawlessly but I bought mine from carsystems and had their support.

They wrote special code for my M buttons so I can use them as "multifunction" buttons.

So my M1 button operates my heated steering wheel option and the steering wheel vibrates once for on and twice for off. Kind of nice.

My M2 button operates my recirculating option like my old steering wheel had. Otherwise all other buttons work as they should.

I will point out though that the first module received from them was incorrect and had to swap it for another one due to the can bus.

I had to use Skype app and contacted carsystems support directly and their engineer had made me custom code that was updatable by their usb dongle they sent me.

Otherwise everything went well.

[0-60Motorsports]

Originally Posted by boneca

I guess this is better news but if M button doesn't work its still not good, I don't think u want to drive M car without M capabilities...

This...will be going for the E70 X5M performance steering wheel in the future.

[boneca]

Originally Posted by 0-60Motorsports

This...will be going for the E70 X5M performance steering wheel in the future.

those are awesome!
I just sold mine another day but used it for more than 2 years and loved it

[0-60Motorsports]

Originally Posted by boneca

those are awesome!
I just sold mine another day but used it for more than 2 years and loved it

Excellent, I wish I could find a cheap worn one so I can recover it in leather as alcantara is not practical for me for DD.

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Originally Posted by boneca

I guess this is better news but if M button doesn't work its still not good, I don't think u want to drive M car without M capabilities...

Yea sorry things didn't go super smooth, this is all relatively new stuff anyhow. Give it some more time and I'm sure they will have a way to make it 100% functional without having to buy more stuff.

They made mine work without the NBT retrofit. But I already had it from bimmer retrofit and the two don't talk to each other.

Also mines not an M so I just use the M1 and M2 buttons as "M"ultifuntion buttons . Ones for heat and ones for recirculate

[ZFRED10]

Would this procedure be the same for installing an F15 M sport package steering wheel in a 2013 M sport package x5? (there would be no M buttons, only paddle shifters.

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[boneca]

Originally Posted by ZFRED10

Would this procedure be the same for installing an F15 M sport package steering wheel in a 2013 M sport package x5? (there would be no M buttons, only paddle shifters.

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To This:

F15/F16/F85/F86 steering wheels won't fit E70/E71

look in to F10

[-c-]

Originally Posted by boneca

F15/F16/F85/F86 steering wheels won't fit E70/E71

look in to F10

Yes that design wheel will fit without the M buttons.

Need f10 style wheel however.

[MikeDrop]

Well, installed this yesterday..... Waiting till Monday to speak to Car Systems about their fXX to eXX steering wheel adaptor, since nothing is working for now...
Even without any buttons working, I still love the feel of the new steering wheel when comparing it to the standard one...

[boneca]

Originally Posted by MikeDrop

Well, installed this yesterday..... Waiting till Monday to speak to Car Systems about their fXX to eXX steering wheel adaptor, since nothing is working for now...
Even without any buttons working, I still love the feel of the new steering wheel when comparing it to the standard one...

any reason why u went with Pre LCI f10 steering wheel? its almost the same as E70 wheel!
also from what I learned you will need NBT conversion in order for f10 steering wheel to work in E70 car

[MikeDrop]

Originally Posted by boneca

any reason why u went with Pre LCI f10 steering wheel? its almost the same as E70 wheel!
also from what I learned you will need NBT conversion in order for f10 steering wheel to work in E70 car

I had the basic e70 steering wheel so I was happy with any change... luckily my friend was upgrading his wheel, so I got this one for $350 altogether with the airbag installed and programmed. My friend installed the f10 m5 steering in his 7 series, but I'm not so sure it fits that good in the X5, it seemed a little to skinny with the controls. I kind of like the look of this one better on the X.

Now, to make all the buttons work, looks like there are adapters from Fxx to Exx retrofits without the need of installing the NBT, worst case scenario, if those don't work, I will have to resolder some connections to make it work...

This weekend was busy with the Andoid 10.25 installation and SSD upgrade, and driving without the steering wheel controls is not a PITA yet

[boneca]

Originally Posted by MikeDrop

I had the basic e70 steering wheel so I was happy with any change... luckily my friend was upgrading his wheel, so I got this one for $350 altogether with the airbag installed and programmed. My friend installed the f10 m5 steering in his 7 series, but I'm not so sure it fits that good in the X5, it seemed a little to skinny with the controls. I kind of like the look of this one better on the X.

Now, to make all the buttons work, looks like there are adapters from Fxx to Exx retrofits without the need of installing the NBT, worst case scenario, if those don't work, I will have to resolder some connections to make it work...

This weekend was busy with the Andoid 10.25 installation and SSD upgrade, and driving without the steering wheel controls is not a PITA yet

I hear you and in that case I understand, I would still prefer to upgrade to new E70 M wheel instead, this is what I did back in 2011 X5 I owned, as for adapter, I hope you right but not from my research, yes you need the adapter but adapter might not work if you haven't converted to NBT unit.

Good luck with your projects!

[Oren1583]

How is the adapter from car system and to code it from them

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Originally Posted by boneca

I hear you and in that case I understand, I would still prefer to upgrade to new E70 M wheel instead, this is what I did back in 2011 X5 I owned, as for adapter, I hope you right but not from my research, yes you need the adapter but adapter might not work if you haven't converted to NBT unit.

Good luck with your projects!

Hey boneca I just wanted to chime in, I had a small error on my NBT and had to send it back to bimmer retrofit and installed my factory system until it got fixed and returned to me.

And happy to report the steering wheel controls still work like a charm without the NBT system.

So it is possible. You just need the right adapter. The adapter they sent me had more wiring than the first one they sent me as they found out it was wrong. But with the right one it works with and without the NBT

[pjfox23]

I was excited to see more action in this thread, but I think we are treading the same ground as above. It's the case the upgrade will work with the module for regular e70. But, for the X5M, it's a no go for the M button to work on the new wheel without NBT. Unless there is some new module or something I don't know about ??

[boneca]

Originally Posted by pjfox23

I was excited to see more action in this thread, but I think we are treading the same ground as above. It's the case the upgrade will work with the module for regular e70. But, for the X5M, it's a no go for the M button to work on the new wheel without NBT. Unless there is some new module or something I don't know about ??

good point!

[-c-]

Originally Posted by pjfox23

I was excited to see more action in this thread, but I think we are treading the same ground as above. It's the case the upgrade will work with the module for regular e70. But, for the X5M, it's a no go for the M button to work on the new wheel without NBT. Unless there is some new module or something I don't know about ??

Well the NBT retrofit is not needed regardless. That was a rumor and started probably because of improper installation or wrong module.

It's worked on mine with and without the NBT installed.

Now for the M button I had both my M buttons activated through special software update from the manufacture of the module

The m1 button turns on the heated wheel with a vibration 2 vibrations it's off

The m2 button turns on recirculate.

To me the M buttons are just multifunction

But the point is the manufacturer was able to write code that made the buttons work.

So it may be possible but I'd contact the manufacturer.