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      12-31-2019, 01:32 PM   #45
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      12-31-2019, 01:37 PM   #46
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There are three kinds of people in this world.
Sheep (prey)
Wolves (predator)
Shepherds (protector)

If you are not a protector or a predator you are prey.

In the eyes of the predator in that church, every person in the audience was prey. If there had been no protector this could have been really bad, really fast. One would have to be mentally defective to prefer the absence of a protector.
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      12-31-2019, 02:08 PM   #47
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I have no idea what you are talking about, but If you were in that congregation you might feel differently. But with a Liberal..who the hell knows.
With conservative..who the hell knows, because conservatives normally think deadly shootings are staged.
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Have you ever looked down the barrel of a 12 Ga held by a crazy eyed lunatic who just murdered the two men steps away from you? That’s kinda different then shooting holes in paper or steel. Looking down a hostile barrel is a game changer. I do get your point though, I have 9mm and .380 pistols as well.
No matter what gun you have. If you are looking down the barrel of a 12 ga. You are 100% dead

And Actually I am a pistol instructor.

In the last 5 years I have spent $5000+ on just training (Not including guns and ammo). My instructors (4) only instruct instructors.

I taka a priveate lesson once every 2 months. 99% of your typical cc person could not handle 2 armed bad guys with any gun. You don't need a bigger gun or more ammo. You need well placed bullets very very quickly.

I presume you noticed that the highest percentage of folks were incapacitated by a .380 yound. I'll tell you why if you can't figure it out

But thanks for your insight.

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With conservative..who the hell knows, because conservatives normally think deadly shootings are staged.
Still have no clue what you are saying
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Statistics do not lie. USA has the most numbers of murders and killings with GUNs, the neXt country Syria AND more countries has less even with a WAR going on.

Mass Killings. USA No 1 in the world
Domestic killing GUNs: USA No 1 in the world
ANY KILLING: USA No1 in the world.

GUNS NEVER SAVE LIFE/LIVES IN AS MUCH AS IT IS A KILLING MACHINE. FACTS DO NOT LIE BUT RHETORIC AND INNUENDOES DO.
You are talking "pie in the sky"

The reality is that guns are here to stay. And bg are not in your lifetime going to give up theirj guns.

The obnly choice isj to train, and carry IMHO

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      12-31-2019, 03:55 PM   #51
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Statistics do not lie. USA has the most numbers of murders and killings with GUNs, the neXt country Syria AND more countries has less even with a WAR going on.

Mass Killings. USA No 1 in the world
Domestic killing GUNs: USA No 1 in the world
ANY KILLING: USA No1 in the world.

GUNS NEVER SAVE LIFE/LIVES IN AS MUCH AS IT IS A KILLING MACHINE. FACTS DO NOT LIE BUT RHETORIC AND INNUENDOES DO.
Your statistics include, suicides, justifiable homicides, accidental homicides, redo your numbers then get back to us.
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      12-31-2019, 04:59 PM   #52
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You are talking "pie in the sky"

The reality is that guns are here to stay. And bg are not in your lifetime going to give up theirj guns.

The obnly choice isj to train, and carry IMHO

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The barn door is closed and the horses have fled. The handwringing about what if there was no guns might be an interesting conversation to have but the reality is we need to look forward because the 2nd amendment and the number of guns that are out there in the hands of lawful owners and criminals aren't going away. And by proximity and porous borders we are a microcosm of the US of A.

So lets talk about the elephant in the room. Criminals. If you take guns away from law abiding citizens, criminals by definition will still have guns. Law abiding citizens almost never use guns illegally and yet they are the low hanging fruit. It is so easy for governments and they are always left leaning to suggest that a ban on gun X or Y will solve the problem. And if in a perfect world those guns were never in the hands of the public then maybe that might work. But they are out there and aren't going away. So lets be grown up and talk about what is the problem. So sorry, but that's not a happy, PC, comfortable conversation to have.
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I know you have more watches, but he does mention a watch as part of his arsenal.
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adc100 bimmer456 Here is how that church shooting went down. I had not seen this anywhere else.

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I know you have more watches, but he does mention a watch as part of his arsenal.
My gun collection exceeds my watch one.
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My gun collection exceeds my watch one.
I figured as much, most of ours do.
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The NRA has shifted like any business would, to appeal to it's customers.
Same with Christianity.
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Some time ago a deranged naked person called Strang entered a church in Thornton Heath,South London and started attacking people with a samurai sword while a service was in progress after 'hearing voices'.He injured mostly elderly people, some seriously before being prodded by stronger men and finally overcome.
If some of the congregation members had concealed small arms like in your church then this SOAB would be history and save the country taxes from keeping him in jail.
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Some time ago a deranged naked person called Strang entered a church in Thornton Heath,South London and started attacking people with a samurai sword while a service was in progress after 'hearing voices'.He injured mostly elderly people, some seriously before being prodded by stronger men and finally overcome.
If some of the congregation members had concealed small arms like in your church then this SOAB would be history and save the country taxes from keeping him in jail.
The worst I've seen is some guy jumping up in the middle of a sermon and shouting obscenities and the ushers having to wrestle and drag him out of the church where he was detained until police took him into custody. Not sure if anyone was packing but it is something to think about.
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The worst I've seen is some guy jumping up in the middle of a sermon and shouting obscenities and the ushers having to wrestle and drag him out of the church where he was detained until police took him into custody. Not sure if anyone was packing but it is something to think about.
If he had pulled a piece then you would have been within your Second Amendment to slot him.
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Some time ago a deranged naked person called Strang entered a church in Thornton Heath,South London and started attacking people with a samurai sword while a service was in progress after 'hearing voices'.He injured mostly elderly people, some seriously before being prodded by stronger men and finally overcome.
If some of the congregation members had concealed small arms like in your church then this SOAB would be history and save the country taxes from keeping him in jail.
Reminds me of the 10 hour stand-off in Seattle with a crazy dude wielding a samurai sword. Rubber bullets and tear gas failed to subdue him so they hit him with a fire hose and pinned him down with a ladder. I feel kinda bad for laughing but damn it, I burst out laughing every time I see them come in with that ladder. Oh, and you know shit's about to get real 7 seconds in when someone tags him square in the balls with a rubber bullet and he barely flinches! Never underestimate the power and resilience of a crazy dude with a sword!

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