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      11-26-2020, 04:43 AM   #177
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I still, having read the relevant section of the FIA Technical Regulations and Sporting Regulations do not see how DAS is actually legal.

It changes the TOE of the car, not the STEERING.
TOE is a function of suspension, much like camber and castor, and those are required to be fixed by the rules.

If it changed the CAMBER by leaning the tyres in or straightening them up, that would not be allowed. But somehow it has been interpreted as steering, which it is not.


Fair play to Mercedes though, they interpreted a loophole, brought the FIA in and got a ruling on it BEFORE they incorporated it into the car. By the time any other teams knew about it in Barca testing 2020, it was too late for the rest of the teams to catch up.


But there is no way that it is a steering thing, it is definitely altering suspension characteristics, and that for me given the words of the regulations mean it should not have been permitted, and when they enquired with the FIA, the FIA should have said no.
An interesting point but I would have thought (as did the FIA arbitrators) that the DAS system does not affect the suspension nor the cars aerodynamics and therefore was not covered under any technical (or sporting) regulation banning such a system.
Although a little bit of a stretch (in the sense that the devices principle aim is not about steering the car) it does seem fair to include the device under steering as toe angle does indeed actually affect the steering.

Its a bit of a storm in a tea cup as all teams have had plenty of time (since the beginning of the season) to add a similar device to their cars but apparently no one thought it was worth the trouble.
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Did you watch the 2007 season perchance?
No idea what you mean.
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No idea what you mean.
Hamiltons rookie season in F1
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      11-26-2020, 11:42 AM   #180
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Hamiltons rookie season in F1
Again, not sure what you're getting at. Ppl don't have much objectivity if they think they can take into account and pkg up all those variables.
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I agree for the most part with what you say.
However if the 2- 33%ers keep setting up their weak commentary its inevitable it will be knocked down.
They can fool themselves into thinking my premise can be knocked down but then they would not be coming from a place of logic.
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      11-26-2020, 12:26 PM   #182
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The only thing I agree with in this post.
Then you don't know a lot about F1 mate.
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      11-26-2020, 12:36 PM   #183
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Then you don't know a lot about F1 mate.
I already admitted that for the most part and itís funny coming from you. Maybe you should dial back on calling others dumb etc and look at all of your own nonsensical posts.

Itís quite obvious to everyone you donít know shit. Your buddy appreciates your posts only because he agrees with your point of view.
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      11-26-2020, 02:28 PM   #184
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I already admitted that for the most part and itís funny coming from you. Maybe you should dial back on calling others dumb etc and look at all of your own nonsensical posts.

Itís quite obvious to everyone you donít know shit. Your buddy appreciates your posts only because he agrees with your point of view.
I don't read every single post but going by your avatar one may have guessed that.
It's a public forum but I guess you enjoy your own clueless posts, at least I support a some other drivers/team and don't change my spots to whoever is winning.
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I don't read every single post but going by your avatar one may have guessed that.
It's a public forum but I guess you enjoy your own clueless posts, at least I support a some other drivers/team and don't change my spots to whoever is winning.
Itís quite obvious you donít read others posts as Iím not necessarily a big fan of MB or HAM. I respect them and recognize what theyíve done though. Iíve always been more of a VET fan and support a lot of other teams/hope they keep developing to make the races more entertaining.

What about my avatar, Iím hockey fan so what? Itís a public forum, what?
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Again, not sure what you're getting at. Ppl don't have much objectivity if they think they can take into account and pkg up all those variables.
Fair enough.
Myself I think there are certain metrics and comparisons that give a pretty good indication of where any particular certain driver sits in the overall rating of modern F1 drivers.
But sure no one can be 100% certain.
I ask about the 2007 season (which you obviously didn't see) because it was the most outstanding rookie season of any driver pretty much in the history of F1...not because of the car but because of who Hamiltons was up against in the other car.

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      11-26-2020, 06:08 PM   #187
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It’s quite obvious you don’t read others posts as I’m not necessarily a big fan of MB or HAM. I respect them and recognize what they’ve done though. I’ve always been more of a VET fan and support a lot of other teams/hope they keep developing to make the races more entertaining.

What about my avatar, I’m hockey fan so what? It’s a public forum, what?
Nothing wrong with your avatar mate it's just unusual you being on F1 site with ice hockey avatar.
Something we surprisingly have in common is that we both like Seb,there was a poll on an F1 website and he came much higher than HAM of being the most liked driver out of the lot in UK,(don't ask me to bring it up, look it up yourself.
As you said already that you have little knowledge F1 so how do you know I'm talking sh*t,eh and do you read everyone's posts if you go on a ice hockey site?
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I already admitted that for the most part and itís funny coming from you. Maybe you should dial back on calling others dumb etc and look at all of your own nonsensical posts.

Itís quite obvious to everyone you donít know shit. Your buddy appreciates your posts only because he agrees with your point of view.
Who said that ?
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Nothing wrong with your avatar mate it's just unusual you being on F1 site with ice hockey avatar.
Something we surprisingly have in common is that we both like Seb,there was a poll on an F1 website and he came much higher than HAM of being the most liked driver out of the lot in UK,(don't ask me to bring it up, look it up yourself.
As you said already that you have little knowledge F1 so how do you know I'm talking sh*t,eh and do you read everyone's posts if you go on a ice hockey site?
Wut? One can’t like more than one sport? And this isn’t even a dedicated F1 site/forum.

When one is as engaged as heavily as you are in trying to pump one guy up at the expense of everyone and everything else it becomes pretty clear. Also reading others posts here that do know a lot about F1 are very very different from yours...........

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Who said that ?
Which part, can you be more specific?
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You know what, never mind, this pretty desperate and low even for you.
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A senile old man who, while a gazillionaire, is aptly called...The Poison Dwarf.

And just for context...

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...g-promoting-f1

From before he became senile...
Is it even real? A lot to unpack there if it is and not a lot of it is very good unfortunately.
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So true! Merc introduced the hybrid engine in '14 what they were building for years already..it wasn't FIA and they've won everything up to now so obviously the whole thing is fixed from the start.
My friend,I feel better saying that after my 3 mile run.
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Wut? One canít like more than one sport? And this isnít even a dedicated F1 site/forum.

When one is as engaged as heavily as you are in trying to pump one guy up at the expense of everyone and everything else it becomes pretty clear. Also reading others posts here that do know a lot about F1 are very very different from yours...........



Which part, can you be more specific?
I think we've spoke enough, at least I'm a follower of F1 with a valid interest supporting drivers/team unlike you oh you like VET you said, wow.
Looking through your posts which just ramble on about jack and there's not even the occasional humour from you so go and argue with someone else.
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So true! Merc introduced the hybrid engine in '14 what they were building for years already..it wasn't FIA and they've won everything up to now so obviously the whole thing is fixed from the start.
LOL at you pair...you don't even know that the plan in 2011 was for a 4 cylinder turbo engine not a V6 turbo hybrid for the 2013 season.
https://www.racefans.net/2010/12/10/...ines-for-2013/
The subsequent regulation change to a V6 design for the 2014 season reset all teams engine development...everyone started their V6 hybrid design at the same time.
The idea behind the original 4 cylinder turbo engine design was that this would bring in VW and or other manufacturers into the sport.
A plan that Ferrari were dead against because they didn't make a 4 cylinder engined car.
Mercedes wanted to stick to V8s
Renault were very keen on the idea.

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LOL at you pair...you don't even know that the plan even in 2011 was for a 4 cylinder turbo engine hybrid not a V6 turbo hybrid.
https://www.racefans.net/2010/12/10/...ines-for-2013/
The idea being that this would bring in VW and or other manufacturers into the sport.
A plan that Ferrari were dead against because they didn't make a 4 cylinder engined car.
Mercedes wanted to stick to V8s
Renault were very keen on the idea.
Lauda told Montezemollo Merc were building a hybrid V6 way back in 07,didn't you see my post and Lauda never denied he did say it and no I'm not bringing the post up again.
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