E70 or F85 X5M

[TurnOne]

I'm in the market for another X5 and have been wanting an X5M for some time. I like the styling of the E70 better and am OK of the interior (I have 2012 model now). Had the chance to drive F85 twice and it's a whole different vehicle. i don't like the F85 styling as much but the interior is a much nicer upgrade.

What's important to me is reliability so my question is if it's worth it to consider a '16/17 F85 over a '13 E70. The price is like doubled and not sure if it's worth it. Can I count on the reliability of the S63 in the E70 or is the S63 F85 much improved? If I go with the E70 I plan to keep it for 3 years and maybe to 150k miles on whatever vehicle I run into. Is 150k miles do-able or should I be worried like the N63 engine? Thanks for the input. I realize this topic has been beaten over a few times but with more and more miles put on these vehicles, maybe a better gauge this time?

[quick]

F85 > $60+ (30K miles) > $3000-$4000 warranty > $65,000 > 120,000 miles > value ? (may be high 20's-low 30's) = -$35,000 give and take

E70 > $32+ (40K miles) > $6000 warranty > $38,000 > 120,000 miles > value $15,000 = -$23

Is driving an older X5M worth an extra $13,000 + $2500 finance charge) , that's the question you need to ask yourself.

For me, I opted for a fully loaded '12 X5M with 40K miles for low 30's

Although, I wasn't happy with the power delivery but a $260 Sprint Booster fixed it and saved me from spending the extra $$$$ for an F85

[Sophisticated Redneck]

Originally Posted by TurnOne

I'm in the market for another X5 and have been wanting an X5M for some time. I like the styling of the E70 better and am OK of the interior (I have 2012 model now). Had the chance to drive F85 twice and it's a whole different vehicle. i don't like the F85 styling as much but the interior is a much nicer upgrade.

What's important to me is reliability so my question is if it's worth it to consider a '16/17 F85 over a '13 E70. The price is like doubled and not sure if it's worth it. Can I count on the reliability of the S63 in the E70 or is the S63 F85 much improved? If I go with the E70 I plan to keep it for 3 years and maybe to 150k miles on whatever vehicle I run into. Is 150k miles do-able or should I be worried like the N63 engine? Thanks for the input. I realize this topic has been beaten over a few times but with more and more miles put on these vehicles, maybe a better gauge this time?

Disagree with you on the interior, the Fs look cheap to me and I LOVE our dash and split glovebox is freaking awesome...little things like that, ya the F has upgraded LCDs but just slap in the 10 inch andriod and it completely updates the dash.

As for reliability....I have an N63, I am at 145K now, 40K of which I did in one year.. I drive the piss out of it....change your oil every 5 to7k, use liqui moly and slap in the moly additive. AVOID stop and go traffic like the plauge, pic a M that has super low miles or highway miles only...and N or S63 that spent it's life in city traffic is like a caged Lion.. it will BREAK it. Not being overdramatic...BMW's didn't design the E70s for shit for airflow, heatsoak is the kills our reverse flow hotV engines....take the long non-stop way to work... these machines are happiest at right around 100-130 anyway on an open road😎

[TheVazha]

I LOOOOVE my E70.

Every time I drive it I cannot see myself driving anything else. It's such a drivers car. The way it handles, the way the gears are always at the right solace where they need to be, the way it smells, it's really a special car.

That said, the F85 is in a world of its own. Truly a remarkable car. The problem I think everyone has is that IT IS NOT worth twice the price. That's a fact. If the F85's were in the $40-$50 range, the decision is easy. But $60K ++, I'm not sure what the upgrade is. You can buy a very clean E70, and have enough money to buy a killer weekend M3 convertible for joy rides.

[Kraftwerk AG]

Originally Posted by TheVazha

I LOOOOVE my E70.

Every time I drive it I cannot see myself driving anything else. It's such a drivers car. The way it handles, the way the gears are always at the right solace where they need to be, the way it smells, it's really a special car.

That said, the F85 is in a world of its own. Truly a remarkable car. The problem I think everyone has is that IT IS NOT worth twice the price. That's a fact. If the F85's were in the $40-$50 range, the decision is easy. But $60K ++, I'm not sure what the upgrade is. You can buy a very clean E70, and have enough money to buy a killer weekend M3 convertible for joy rides.

Yes I miss my E70 M from time to time. I do believe once the G05 M's hit the market later this fall, the F8x's should come close to your price target.

[TheVazha]

Originally Posted by DeeO

Yes I do miss my E70 M from time to time. I believe once the G05 M's hit the market later this fall, the F8x's should come close to your price target.

Totally. I don't even need them to be in the $40 range. I'm even happy to pay $60 if it has low mileage and a respectable history.

Just very bored of seeing these dreamers asking$65K+ for 30K+ miles telling me it's a good deal. This time next year, these same 2016's are trading in the mid $50's. 100%.

So, I can drove my E70 and take a 3$K hit on it, only to save $10 in the back. The E70 is a proper car. No rush here.

Also, I genuinely champion F85's selling for top dollar, I'll own one soon, it's just annoying when salespeople treat you like it's the first cool car you've bought. I guess can't fault them, just doing what they do.

[TurnOne]

I wouldn't mind waiting until the new X5M pushes prices of F85 down but can't wait that long. I see few 2013's with 50-70k miles in upper $20s but these are obviously out of warranty and worries me. I just hope the S63 are much better as some people say E70 or F85. Ares there major improvements in the S63 of the F85 over the E70? And if I go with E70 X5M, who has the best coverage/price for extended warranty? I was tempted at buying a F85 from Carmax and getting their Maxcare warranty which I hear is has good coverage.

I don't plan on modding it, like it as it is. Anybody on Big Island i Hawaii? There's a nice blue one but asking price is kinda high at $40k. Just tired of all the white/black/gray..

[quick]

Originally Posted by TurnOne

There's a nice blue one but asking price is kinda high at $40k. Just tired of all the white/black/gray..

What are you wanting to pay for a low mileage E70 or F85 and what is low mileage?

[Thecastle]

Originally Posted by TheVazha

Totally. I don't even need them to be in the $40 range. I'm even happy to pay $60 if it has low mileage and a respectable history.

Just very bored of seeing these dreamers asking$65K+ for 30K+ miles telling me it's a good deal. This time next year, these same 2016's are trading in the mid $50's. 100%.

So, I can drove my E70 and take a 3$K hit on it, only to save $10 in the back. The E70 is a proper car. No rush here.

Also, I genuinely champion F85's selling for top dollar, I'll own one soon, it's just annoying when salespeople treat you like it's the first cool car you've bought. I guess can't fault them, just doing what they do.

I see 2016 x5m in the 40s all the time. https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...6569/overview/

Some even at 40k

Personally age is as hard on a car as mileage. Plastics in the engine bay die from heat cycles and age as much as mileage. Frankly the e70s aren’t terribly reliable. The newer generation thus far has been less problematic. I purchased a clean 1 owner 2011 x5m with 40k miles and I’m glad I purchased an extended warranty. That’s getting hard on an e70. As soon as my warranty is up I plan to get 2015/16

[LastLong]

F85 X5M of course !

E70 begin to looks old...

If no... keep your E70 X5 50i until the F85 X5M drop his price. :P

[Kraftwerk AG]

Originally Posted by Thecastle

I see 2016 x5m in the 40s all the time. https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...6569/overview/

Some even at 40k

Personally age is as hard on a car as mileage. Plastics in the engine bay die from heat cycles and age as much as mileage. Frankly the e70s aren't terribly reliable. The newer generation thus far has been less problematic. I purchased a clean 1 owner 2011 x5m with 40k miles and I'm glad I purchased an extended warranty. That's getting hard on an e70. As soon as my warranty is up I plan to get 2015/16

That's definitely a rare bird with every option, from a northern climate and some factory warranty remaining. My question is: why was it wholesaled out to a 'mom & pop' independant dealership, rather than being sold by a BMW or other new car dealership as a CPO or preowned vehicle? A Carfax may reveal more...

[quick]

Originally Posted by DeeO

That's definitely a rare bird with every option, from a northern climate and some factory warranty remaining. My question is: why was it wholesaled out to a 'mom & pop' independant dealership, rather than being sold by a BMW or other new car dealership as a CPO or preowned vehicle? A Carfax may reveal more...

Exactly ^ my thought.... But to most, it's the purchase price that matters regardless of what the car had gone through

[Naz24]

I've driven them back to back.

The transmission on the F85 makes a world of a difference, really just drives better than the E70. However, styling, feeling, etc of the E70 is just not replicated in the F85. For some reason, the E70 just feels more "special"

That being said, when i get tired of my E70, i will be upgrading to an F85

[SF07e70]

i think the answer is always the newest you can afford and drive. (unless you plan on keeping it forever as part of a collection)

[bmwx5er]

Originally Posted by DeeO

That's definitely a rare bird with every option, from a northern climate and some factory warranty remaining. My question is: why was it wholesaled out to a 'mom & pop' independant dealership, rather than being sold by a BMW or other new car dealership as a CPO or preowned vehicle? A Carfax may reveal more...

Here’s why..

“EXPERIENCE THE DIFFERENCE! Buy from ROAD RUNNER AUTO SALES with CONFIDENCE. We are a 30 year family owned and operated business! We offer very competitive financing rates and terms for all credit levels along with long term extended power-train warranties. OUR TEAM makes every attempt to make sure our listings are factual and accurate. Please give us a call if you have a question about any of our vehicles. This vehicle has a REBUILT SALVAGE TITLE. It has been repaired to its original condition and runs and drives like new. The damage pictures of the vehicle before the repairs can be provided upon request. “

[eDubz]

Originally Posted by Naz24

I've driven them back to back.

The transmission on the F85 makes a world of a difference, really just drives better than the E70. However, styling, feeling, etc of the E70 is just not replicated in the F85. For some reason, the E70 just feels more "special"

That being said, when i get tired of my E70, i will be upgrading to an F85

My sprint booster gets here Friday. I'm hoping it improves the transmission feel a bit. Otherwise, I might try the xHP TCU tune...

[Kraftwerk AG]

Originally Posted by bmwx5er

Here's why..

"EXPERIENCE THE DIFFERENCE! Buy from ROAD RUNNER AUTO SALES with CONFIDENCE. We are a 30 year family owned and operated business! We offer very competitive financing rates and terms for all credit levels along with long term extended power-train warranties. OUR TEAM makes every attempt to make sure our listings are factual and accurate. Please give us a call if you have a question about any of our vehicles. This vehicle has a REBUILT SALVAGE TITLE. It has been repaired to its original condition and runs and drives like new. The damage pictures of the vehicle before the repairs can be provided upon request. "

Ha! That explains everything. I couldn't find a Carfax report or any further information. Good luck trying to get auto insurance. Caveat emptor...