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      12-14-2019, 04:27 PM   #1
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Democratic front-runners jostle for position as rumours have Clinton joining the race

Democratic front-runners jostle for position as rumours have Clinton joining the race

I don't think this is news, HRC has been rumoured to be getting ready for the "swoop" for a while now, but this just in.

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2...-the-race.html

By Edward KeenanWashington Bureau Chief

WASHINGTON, DC — As Democrats in the United States prepare to watch the last presidential primary debate of 2019 this coming Thursday, the crowded race has stubbornly resisted narrowing.

Sure, Kamala Harris dropped out this month, alongside a couple of more fringe candidates. But that came just after two new candidates, former Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick and billionaire former New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg, entered the race. What’s more, as this month’s polls continued to show no one able to move away from the pack, there was increased talk of Hillary Clinton making a possible late run for a rematch against Donald Trump.

Former vice-president Joe Biden continues to lead most polls, though his support has appeared to have reached a ceiling for months. He is not strong in the two earliest states to vote — Iowa and New Hampshire — leading to concerns he might appear to be losing before he gets to places where he has big support, such as North Carolina. Perhaps as big a concern about Biden is that he is 77 years old and appears sometimes to be flagging mentally — reports this week rumoured that he had privately suggested to some supporters he’d only serve one term. He’s always been famously gaffe prone, and he has a tendency toward long-winded non sequiturs.

Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren appeared in the early fall to be ascendant, but after much debate over her universal health-care plan — and how it would be paid for — she seems to have stalled.

In November, Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, former Vice President Joe Biden and Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., participate in the fifth Democratic presidential debate.

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders has the most support among young people, and the most enthusiastic supporters, but is disliked by the party establishment (a Politco report said the only way former president Barack Obama would be drawn into issuing an opinion on the campaign would be to stop Sanders). Sanders has, in recent poll tallies in many primary states, appeared to have improved his standing, though his national poll numbers have been fairly consistent for months and his positional changes come more from Warren’s shifting fortunes.

The only front-runner currently under 70, South Bend, Indiana Mayor Pete Buttigieg who is 37 years old, has looked strong in early states leading to increased skepticism and attacks about his slight experience, his nearly non-existent support among Black voters and younger voters, and his past work as a corporate consultant for McKinsey.

As a result, this past week, Buttigieg released a list of his work for corporate clients. On the list was Canadian grocer Loblaws, who Buttigieg consulted for on prices in Toronto for six-months in 2008 — leading his campaign to publicly clarify he was not involved in the bread price-fixing scheme that came to light in 2017.

That none of those four has broken away, or appeared to build the kind of electoral movement that suggests a sweep into office, has looked like an invitation to some others.

Bloomberg, among the wealthiest men in the United States, won’t contest the earliest states but has spent more money on advertising in just a few weeks than the leading candidates combined have all year — a reported $100 million — and as a result has climbed quickly to fifth in the polls. The technocrat and one-time Republican has said he got into the race because he thinks all the other candidates would lose to Trump, and has been critical of the tax-the-rich policies of Sanders and Warren. He seems an unlikely figure to inspire allegiance among Democratic primary voters or voters in rust belt swing states, but the amount of his own money he is prepared to spend may make him an interesting factor in the race.


Meanwhile, a relaxed and well-received appearance on the Howard Stern Show by former first lady and senator — and 2016 Democratic nominee — Hillary Clinton has led to renewed speculation that she might get into the race. Former Trump adviser Steve Bannon said on his podcast recently that her appearance on Stern’s show has him convinced she’s planning to run to “save the Democratic party” from Bloomberg.

Though Clinton has tamped down such speculation for months, a Harris Poll survey released late last week showed her leading the other candidates, and early this month she told a UK talk show she’s been “deluged” with pleas to enter and didn’t appear to shut the door entirely. “Right now, I’m not at all planning that. I’d have to make up my mind really quickly,” she said.

It’s unclear whether a longer contested primary campaign — the primaries do not begin until early February and run into early June — would hurt a Democratic campaign. Two separate national polls released this week, conducted by Real Clear Opinion Research and Quinnipiac University — both showed any of the candidates beating Donald Trump if an election were held today.
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      12-14-2019, 04:47 PM   #2
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Not really thread worthy. Clinton is not joining the race.
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Not really thread worthy. Clinton is not joining the race.
Did she tell you that personally?
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      12-14-2019, 04:52 PM   #4
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I don't see the slightest possibility of it. But who knows.

Can you amount the amount of investigations she will undergo for her past transgressions? They will go back to whitewhater for christ sake.
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      12-14-2019, 04:57 PM   #5
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So given her ego I can see it.
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I don't see the slightest possibility of it. But who knows.

Can you amount the amount of investigations she will undergo for her past transgressions? They will go back to whitewhater for christ sake.
IF she won, I'd almost like to see it go down like that if it weren't for the sideshow that would follow.
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      12-15-2019, 09:49 AM   #7
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Not really thread worthy. Clinton is not joining the race.
Would you bet your life on this? I'm asking this seriously.
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      12-15-2019, 09:56 AM   #8
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I don’t know. That face job she debuted the other day is making me wonder if she’s getting in.
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Not really thread worthy. Clinton is not joining the race.
Would you bet your life on this? I'm asking this seriously.
Would you bet your life Trump was investigating corruption in Ukraine?
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As well as her focus group derived new personality she debuted on Howard stern.
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      12-15-2019, 10:13 AM   #11
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I don’t know. That face job she debuted the other day is making me wonder if she’s getting in.
Or trying to scare people for Halloween
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I actually think Hillary would be the only one to stand a chance, as weird as that sounds.

Everyone knows the socialists are just a meme, nobody wants what they are selling.

Biden, Bloomberg, and Petey won’t get the job done. Biden nukes his chances every time he opens his mouth, Bloomberg too old, white and rich, and only white liberals would vote for the gay dude. Pete wouldn’t get the black vote due to his orientation.

Hillary has the woman card, pretty moderate, and this would be viewed as a redo of the 2016 election. Of course the same thing would happen though, Hillary is feeble. The campaigning would wear her out and her handlers would be carrying her in and out of events a few weeks into the campaign due to fatigue.

In the end, y’all just need to accept that Trump will win 2020.
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Would you bet your life Trump was investigating corruption in Ukraine?
Deflect much?
I don't have enough information which is why I didn't make a definitive statement on it.

I will take your lack of response as a no.
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      12-15-2019, 10:46 AM   #14
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To be fair, I don't think she is running but her chances of winning would be far greater than any of the current dem candidates lol.
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maybe she's just trying for the record of losing the most Presidential campaigns

I think Harold Stassen hold the current record for "times ran"

serious modern day runners, Joe Biden at 3, Ron Paul for 3 (although never really a serious contender)
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Not really thread worthy. Clinton is not joining the race.
staying tuned to watch RD post "HILLARY HAS NO PATH!!"
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I don't see the slightest possibility of it. But who knows.

Can you amount the amount of investigations she will undergo for her past transgressions? They will go back to whitewhater for christ sake.
lol
just had a vision of entire Fort Marcy Park cordoned off with yellow cop tape.
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Would you bet your life Trump was investigating corruption in Ukraine?
Deflect much?
I don't have enough information which is why I didn't make a definitive statement on it.

I will take your lack of response as a no.
Bet your life? Silly.

Clinton is not running for president, and Trump was not rooting out corruption.

I have spoken.
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To be fair, I don't think she is running but her chances of winning would be far greater than any of the current dem candidates lol.
true, but an historically low bar
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I actually think Hillary would be the only one to stand a chance, as weird as that sounds.

Everyone knows the socialists are just a meme, nobody wants what they are selling.

Biden, Bloomberg, and Petey won’t get the job done. Biden nukes his chances every time he opens his mouth, Bloomberg too old, white and rich, and only white liberals would vote for the gay dude. Pete wouldn’t get the black vote due to his orientation.

Hillary has the woman card, pretty moderate, and this would be viewed as a redo of the 2016 election. Of course the same thing would happen though, Hillary is feeble. The campaigning would wear her out and her handlers would be carrying her in and out of events a few weeks into the campaign due to fatigue.

In the end, y’all just need to accept that Trump will win 2020.
I think HRC would be bombarded with rage from within the Democrat ranks. Rage over having screwed Bernie over and taken the DNC hostage, rage at having run such a shitty campaign that a boorish real estate hustler/reality TV host with no political experience could beat her, etc.

She stood in line for her turn. She took her turn. She fucked it up. It's somebody else's turn now.
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Rage that she chose to get so drunk she couldn’t address her loyal followers at the election night headquarters. Once she knew she lost, those idiots waiting at the javits center were of no use to her anymore, and they were disregarded and dismissed.
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