[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by SW19

But with German VIN numbers.The G87 has a Mexican VIN.Probably because not enough of the parts are made in Germany.

Initially M Roadsters and M Coupes had the ‘WBS’ VIN. DOT at that time allowed it because the S52 & S54 engines were manufactured in Germany. That later changed and they received ‘5UM’ VINs. Those same guidelines are still in place today.

[SW19]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

Initially M Roadsters and M Coupes had the ‘WBS’ VIN. DOT at that time allowed it because the S52 & S54 engines were manufactured in Germany. That later changed and they received ‘5UM’ VINs. Those same guidelines are still in place today.

Didn’t know they changed it in later production years.My 98 Imola Red M Roadster had a German VIN.

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by SW19

Didn’t know they changed it in later production years.My 98 Imola Red M Roadster had a German VIN.

Example, 2000 S52 vs 2002 S54 M Roadster VINs.

[donm527]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

Example, 2000 S52 vs 2002 S54 M Roadster VINs.

BMW does it with the current G42... they are all made in Mexico and if they come to the US and maybe some other countries they have a vin starting with 3MW... but if it goes to Europe people have reported that they have a VIN starting with Europe code.

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by donm527

BMW does it with the current G42... they are all made in Mexico and if they come to the US and maybe some other countries they have a vin starting with 3MW... but if it goes to Europe people have reported that they have a VIN starting with Europe code.

U.S. G87 VINs begin with 3MF.

[donm527]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

U.S. G87 VINs begin with 3MF.

To differentiate between regular and M car I guess.

Like in Germany VIN
WBA - BMW car
WBS - BMW M car

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by donm527

To differentiate between regular and M car I guess.

Like in Germany VIN
WBA - BMW car
WBS - BMW M car

Yes.

[M2PDX]

Originally Posted by blueray_ms

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I am also on the fence about TR having recently seen it on an M4 despite initially ordering the M2 in that colour. It may look great on the M2 and the recent transporter photo suggests that however I have delayed my order until I can see the colours in the flesh and choose accordingly.

Here are some interesting photos. Note that both the TR X3M and the Porsche Guards Red look fairly similar in person, at least inside. I looked at them repeatedly back to back. The TR looks even "reder" (lol, is that even a word???) in low or overcast lighting.

And by the way, the Portland Auto Show has a 760iL in Brooklyn Grey. Maybe it's just too big for that color, but it looked very pasty.

More and more comfortable with TR now that I've seen it in person.

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by M2PDX

Here are some interesting photos. Note that both the TR X3M and the Porsche Guards Red look fairly similar in person, at least inside. I looked at them repeatedly back to back. The TR looks even "reder" (lol, is that even a word???) in low or overcast lighting.

And by the way, the Portland Auto Show has a 760iL in Brooklyn Grey. Maybe it's just too big for that color, but it looked very pasty.

More and more comfortable with TR now that I've seen it in person.

No offense but they dont look the same. The Porsche red has a red richness that the TR doesn't.

[GregW / Oregon]

Originally Posted by AndyinHou

From that pic, I’m switching from TR. It looks horribly washed out!

This sure doesn't look washed out.

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon

This sure doesn't look washed out.

Yet the photo that I have previously posted of a TR XM which was taken outdoors is.

Below is a TR G80 photo that I took at the SC PC and in direct sunlight.

[GregW / Oregon]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

Yet the photo that I have previously posted of a TR XM which was taken outdoors is.

Below is a TR G80 photo that I took at the SC PC and in direct sunlight.

As a photographer, I can tell you the car (and foreground) in the photo is overexposed.

[M_Power Rob]

Stopped by my dealership to see BG and switch from ZB to BG. They didnt have any new TR cars but I did see a BSM in the showroom. Very unimpressed (as I was expecting something different, I guess). It didn't look like a true "black" but instead a very dark charcoal black with high lever of flake.

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon

As a photographer, I can tell you the car (and foreground) in the photo is overexposed.

iPhone 13 Pro.

[M2PDX]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

Yet the photo that I have previously posted of a TR XM which was taken outdoors is.

Below is a TR G80 photo that I took at the SC PC and in direct sunlight.

But T.U.D..... the Marina Bay or Portimao Blue in the background also looks totally washed out. Not at all like they look in real life. Not sure any camera catches TR color well in direct sunlight.

The PROBLEM is that we're all arguing about how washed out or NOT washed out a particular color is because BMW gave us such a limited and unimaginative group of colors for launch.

Why not Technoviolet, Laguna Seca, Hellrot or San Marino???

[DSTR]

The solution is quite simple - buy and drive what you like and in the color most pleasing. For those not ordering TR you will regret it LOL! Its the best color and we all know it!!

In the world around me here in Europe - black/white/grey/silver are everywhere. Blah. Get red enjoy some color in your life. What goes better with a sunny blue sky???? TR LOL

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by DSTR

The solution is quite simple - buy and drive what you like and in the color most pleasing. For those not ordering TR you will regret it LOL! Its the best color and we all know it!!

In the world around me here in Europe - black/white/grey/silver are everywhere. Blah. Get red enjoy some color in your life. What goes better with a sunny blue sky???? TR LOL

And that is why they make chocolate and vanilla. For me, not a fan of brighter versions of red. Burgadny/wine/brick reds, maybe a different story. I also am not a fan of white, black and silver but certain true grays and putty colors look great. BG, while it is a metallic, the flake size is very small so it really given the appearance of a nonmetallic and not only looks great on its own but with the cf and the rims below..

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by M_Power Rob

And that is why they make chocolate and vanilla. For me, not a fan of brighter versions of red. Burgadny/wine/brick reds, maybe a different story. I also am not a fan of white, black and silver but certain true grays and putty colors look great. BG, while it is a metallic, the flake size is very small so it really given the appearance of a nonmetallic and not only looks great on its own but with the cf and the rims below..

Oh, and as for reds like TR here in Florida...they can be synonymous with tickets.

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by M2PDX

But T.U.D..... the Marina Bay or Portimao Blue in the background also looks totally washed out. Not at all like they look in real life. Not sure any camera catches TR color well in direct sunlight.

The PROBLEM is that we're all arguing about how washed out or NOT washed out a particular color is because BMW gave us such a limited and unimaginative group of colors for launch.

Why not Technoviolet, Laguna Seca, Hellrot or San Marino???

Have you seen these photos that JustinHEMI took yesterday of a TR X5M? https://g42.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...&postcount=275

[blueray_ms]

Originally Posted by donm527

BMW does it with the current G42... they are all made in Mexico and if they come to the US and maybe some other countries they have a vin starting with 3MW... but if it goes to Europe people have reported that they have a VIN starting with Europe code.

Just checked our 230i and the vin starts with WBA confirming your comment.

[ESB]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

Have you seen these photos that JustinHEMI took yesterday of a TR X5M? https://g42.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...&postcount=275

Yeah it’s definitely not the best red but I agree with others saying it’s the most exciting option.

I’m beating a dead horse here but I still can’t believe that ZB is a color option and the launch color at that.

[aerobod]

Red for me to complete the set of primary colours our 3 vehicles will have: