E70 X5M Transmission Service DIY

[philly42]

Originally Posted by pdxpeter

Is it necessary to do the adaptations reset process after changing the fluid? I feel like I should but don't really have a place to go through the whole process.

You can reset the monitor that checks the oil quality but I don't think it's really necessary.

These are the reasons for resetting adaptation in the transmission.

[0-60Motorsports]

Originally Posted by philly42

Finished with the transmission fluid service. Thanks jandref321 for a great writeup!!

I'm still learning new things with ISTA/Rheingold and later found that there's a service function for topping off the fluid and resetting the oil damage spectrum. I suppose there's a sensor monitoring the quality of the oil similar to the engine oil.

The X5M has 100k and didn't have any issues with the transmission. When I pulled the mechatronics it was noticeable that the seals were flattened.

Excellent work bud. It's time for me to do this too at 50k kms. Just ordering the parts now but they won't be here till next year.

[Bilbofraggins]

Originally Posted by 0-60Motorsports

No it is not necessary.

I had mine changed on a 2013 X6M at 97500Km...now (98300km)...as far as I can tell the Indy did not reset...things have been fine.

What is the source for your comment....i take it the screenshot above applies to all S63's, even BMWs in general?

Had the diffs and transfer case drained and filled also...never run the adapations on the transfer case either.

These are jobs I'm doing myself from here on.

Any info from anyone appreciated.

[0-60Motorsports]

Originally Posted by Bilbofraggins

I had mine changed on a 2013 X6M at 97500Km...now (98300km)...as far as I can tell the Indy did not reset...things have been fine.

What is the source for your comment....?

Had the diffs and transfer case drained and filled also...never run the adapations on the transfer case either.

These are jobs I'm doing myself from here on.

Any info from anyone appreciated.

Read XHP tuners comments and guides about resetting trans on their site

[Bilbofraggins]

Will do thanks...

[Bilbofraggins]

Make's sense to me...Brilliant...Thanks again 0-60...

https://www.xhpflashtool.com/blog/adaptions/

"So, with that knowledge, what is it good for to reset adaptions regularly? Simple answer: For nothing. In rare cases, on transmissions with already very high positive adaptions, this can even lead to a situation, where your transmission will refuse to shift and you basically have to rebuild it, before it will work again. And that is the reason, why adaptions do not get reset by the dealer on service work. There is no reasons for it, unless hardware on the transmission has been changed."

[philly42]

Originally Posted by philly42

You can reset the monitor that checks the oil quality but I don't think it's really necessary.

These are the reasons for resetting adaptation in the transmission.

FYI, I came across these adaptation procedures from ZF. Again, this doesn't seem necessary for an oil change but for those items listed above.

[Tractorguy77]

I am performing the same device on my diese and have trouble getting the Mechatronic plug back in. I am able to insert it but can’t turn the ring. Should it be easy to turn? Should I be able to turn it with the plug not seated? I am not able to turn it when the plug is not in the connector. Thanks!

[jandref321]

Originally Posted by Tractorguy77

I am performing the same device on my diese and have trouble getting the Mechatronic plug back in. I am able to insert it but can’t turn the ring. Should it be easy to turn? Should I be able to turn it with the plug not seated? I am not able to turn it when the plug is not in the connector. Thanks!

Take a picture of the inside connection and see if anything is bent...this will prevent it from going in. It should be a little stiff but not immovable...did you replace the sleeve?

[Tractorguy77]

Thank you for your response, yes, I replaced the sleeve. I used a mirror to check the pins. They all look straight. Even holding the plug in my hand I am not able to turn the collar. Should it move easily? Ask do you push the plug in and then turn it or is turning the only way to insert it?

[jandref321]

Originally Posted by Tractorguy77

Thank you for your response, yes, I replaced the sleeve. I used a mirror to check the pins. They all look straight. Even holding the plug in my hand I am not able to turn the collar. Should it move easily? Ask do you push the plug in and then turn it or is turning the only way to insert it?

It has been a while...but it has to be able to rotate though even without it inserting. Perhaps the collar is stuck and misaligned. If the tabs are misaligned from the connecter then it wont slide on. Try pushing the collar up and down or in and out on the connecter while rotating to see if it can wiggle free.

[Tractorguy77]

Hello... just wanted to circle back. I was not able to rotate the connector because the collar was not seated right. Playing a bit with the plug allowed me to seat the collar and I was able to get it connected to the Mechatronic. Thank you very much for all your help!

[mirob]

Originally Posted by m5james

Yeah, I'm back to the point where I can't even move it in my driveway...I'm getting to the point where I'm just done with it as I watch it sit :/

I'm having the same issues as you, sounds like it just needs new solenoids.

I saw in another thread that you got a used unit for a good price, but I thought I'd post this anyways for someone who may have the same symptoms as us.

From shifting rough from 2-3 and 4-5 and clunking from 6-5 and 4-3...to failsafe messages to only wanting to ride in one gear and slipping while it was hunting for other gears...and not wanting to go into D or R, and not even moving if it actually engaged those gears.

[Sophisticated Redneck]

Originally Posted by mirob

I'm having the same issues as you, sounds like it just needs new solenoids.

I saw in another thread that you got a used unit for a good price, but I thought I'd post this anyways for someone who may have the same symptoms as us.

From shifting rough from 2-3 and 4-5 and clunking from 6-5 and 4-3...to failsafe messages to only wanting to ride in one gear and slipping while it was hunting for other gears...and not wanting to go into D or R, and not even moving if it actually engaged those gears.

Along with replacing the Solenoids, I would check out doing one of the Sonnax Zip kits. I installed one in my ZF8HP, pretty easy to do overall. I think this plus new Solenoids would solve most of the issues discussed here. (call Sonnax first to verify which zip kit for your transmission)


https://www.sonnax.com/parts/3052-zip-kit

[0-60Motorsports]

Originally Posted by Sophisticated Redneck

Along with replacing the Solenoids, I would check out doing one of the Sonnax Zip kits. I installed one in my ZF8HP, pretty easy to do overall. I think this plus new Solenoids would solve most of the issues discussed here. (call Sonnax first to verify which zip kit for your transmission)


https://www.sonnax.com/parts/3052-zip-kit

Do you know which version is in our X5M's? Like ZF6HP 19 or 21 or 26, etc? Thanks.

[mirob]

Real OEM says GA6HP26Z, however the plaque on mine says 6HP28X (1068050035). I'm confused af as I can't find the right solenoid kit. I reached out to FCP Euro and ZF directly so I guess I'll see what they say.

If anyone has any idea what's going on please chime in.

[TwinSnailz]

On mine it was also 6hp28X. I only got the solenoid kit ZF # 1068 298 047 along with new seals.

I had the 2nd to 3rd hard jerk during slow speed problem and it cured it. Not sure if the solenoid fix it or the seals. But either way you need to change the seal once you drop the mechatronic.

[mirob]

Spent about 45 minutes with FCP Euro on the phone. Excellent customer service. What we figured out is that the 6HP28X is an updated 6HP26 unit. Supposed to handle more power. Anyhow, I ordered the following things and hope it will resolve my transmission issues:

BMW GA6HP26Z Mechatronic Service Kit - 24152333899KT3
Part #: KIT-24152333899KT3
https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/bmw...24152333899kt3

Mechatronic Solenoid Kit (6HP21 6HP28) - ZF 1068298047
Part #: ZFS-1068298047
https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/aut...e-106829804701

BMW Automatic Transmission Oil Pan Gasket - Genuine BMW 24117588753
Part #: BMW-24117588753
https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/bmw...x6-24117588753

I'll report back once I have it done.

[mirob]

Originally Posted by mirob

Spent about 45 minutes with FCP Euro on the phone. Excellent customer service. What we figured out is that the 6HP28X is an updated 6HP26 unit. Supposed to handle more power. Anyhow, I ordered the following things and hope it will resolve my transmission issues:

BMW GA6HP26Z Mechatronic Service Kit - 24152333899KT3
Part #: KIT-24152333899KT3
https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/bmw...24152333899kt3

Mechatronic Solenoid Kit (6HP21 6HP28) - ZF 1068298047
Part #: ZFS-1068298047
https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/aut...e-106829804701

BMW Automatic Transmission Oil Pan Gasket - Genuine BMW 24117588753
Part #: BMW-24117588753
https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/bmw...x6-24117588753

I'll report back once I have it done.

Well, to update this post.

Changed the solenoids, sleeves, gaskets, filter, oil, etc...

The vehicle drives again without going berserk - however, it's still exhibiting the rough shifts (2 to 3, 4-5 and 6-5 and 4-3). No codes on INPA.

One thing my friend and I can't figure out though, INPA (or his version of it) doesn't show the "F6 - Activate" tab for the E70 so there is no way for me to reset transmission adaptation values. It doesn't show S63 when you select Engine either. According to most DIYs, the resetting of the adaptation is an important part of the process so I'm hoping that's where the issues is or my transmission is shot.

So, what versions of INPA are you guys using on the E70? Are there different versions? Updated versions? Different software altogether (ISTA/Rheingold)? He has an E92 and we were able to clear codes and stuff but were not able to reset any values.

[Sophisticated Redneck]

Originally Posted by mirob

Well, to update this post.

Changed the solenoids, sleeves, gaskets, filter, oil, etc...

The vehicle drives again without going berserk - however, it's still exhibiting the rough shifts (2 to 3, 4-5 and 6-5 and 4-3). No codes on INPA.

One thing my friend and I can't figure out though, INPA (or his version of it) doesn't show the "F6 - Activate" tab for the E70 so there is no way for me to reset transmission adaptation values. It doesn't show S63 when you select Engine either. According to most DIYs, the resetting of the adaptation is an important part of the process so I'm hoping that's where the issues is or my transmission is shot.

So, what versions of INPA are you guys using on the E70? Are there different versions? Updated versions? Different software altogether (ISTA/Rheingold)? He has an E92 and we were able to clear codes and stuff but were not able to reset any values.

I used the foxwell nt510 to reset mine (ZF8HP), but check out this video on the ZF6HP, he goes through it step by step. Reccomend you do it late at night or on weekend morning or an a smooth rural back road (if such thing exsists), the calibration routine is quite involved in the 6HP and you need alot of long flat smooth road to do it right. It will eventually calibrate itself but will most likely shift worst and first until it gets the correct number of fill data points for each of the shift points which can take along time in normal driving.

https://youtu.be/nN78ukXXF_o

[Sophisticated Redneck]

Originally Posted by mirob

Well, to update this post.

Changed the solenoids, sleeves, gaskets, filter, oil, etc...

The vehicle drives again without going berserk - however, it's still exhibiting the rough shifts (2 to 3, 4-5 and 6-5 and 4-3). No codes on INPA.

One thing my friend and I can't figure out though, INPA (or his version of it) doesn't show the "F6 - Activate" tab for the E70 so there is no way for me to reset transmission adaptation values. It doesn't show S63 when you select Engine either. According to most DIYs, the resetting of the adaptation is an important part of the process so I'm hoping that's where the issues is or my transmission is shot.

So, what versions of INPA are you guys using on the E70? Are there different versions? Updated versions? Different software altogether (ISTA/Rheingold)? He has an E92 and we were able to clear codes and stuff but were not able to reset any values.

I used the foxwell nt510 to reset mine (ZF8HP), but check out this video on the ZF6HP, he goes through it step by step. Reccomend you do it late at night or on weekend morning or an a smooth rural back road (if such thing exsists), the calibration routine is quite involved in the 6HP and you need alot of long flat smooth road to do it right. It will eventually calibrate itself but will most likely shift worst and first until it gets the correct number of fill data points for each of the shift points which can take along time in normal driving.

https://youtu.be/nN78ukXXF_o

[mirob]

Originally Posted by mirob

Well, to update this post.

Changed the solenoids, sleeves, gaskets, filter, oil, etc...

The vehicle drives again without going berserk - however, it's still exhibiting the rough shifts (2 to 3, 4-5 and 6-5 and 4-3). No codes on INPA.

One thing my friend and I can't figure out though, INPA (or his version of it) doesn't show the "F6 - Activate" tab for the E70 so there is no way for me to reset transmission adaptation values. It doesn't show S63 when you select Engine either. According to most DIYs, the resetting of the adaptation is an important part of the process so I'm hoping that's where the issues is or my transmission is shot.

So, what versions of INPA are you guys using on the E70? Are there different versions? Updated versions? Different software altogether (ISTA/Rheingold)? He has an E92 and we were able to clear codes and stuff but were not able to reset any values.

Another update. Got the adaptations reset. Shifting issue remains. May try the Sonnax Zip Kit next as recommended earlier, however at this point I'm not sure if the issue is in the mechatronic or the actual transmission itself. I may be SOL.