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[Watching The World Burn]

Originally Posted by jaffles

fair enough. You see more shit than I

To me however, when a 17yo can legally buy a E92 that can do 250+km but the speed limit is 100, its not all the drivers fault. No different in my mind to a legal blood alcohol limit. But that's the kind of democracy we have.

You appear to be removing, or at least partially removing, the individual's responsibility for their actions here and espousing more control (presumably by the government because who else could enforce it across the board unilaterally) to remove this ability from a 17 year old.

Dumb decisions are made by young adults all the time. Without knowing you, I can say with 99% certainty you did many dumb things too when you were young. Bet you learned from them though. Some don't....well, they don't have a chance to more accurately. That's life unfortunately, but ultimately, I'm a believer in having the individual bear the consequences for their decision to press the gas pedal to the floor in this case.

And I don't like the thought of additional government interference - there is far too much of it as it is. A smaller, leaner government that stays in its own lane would be ideal, but its about as much of a fairy tale as your idyllic picture you painted earlier about a collective community that operates with compassion, with no power, profit or position in this hypothetical community.

I mean, that sounds a wee bit like communism with idealistic overtones. And it will never work because we are human, not robots. And ergo, we are greedy, selfish, lazy individuals amongst other undesirable traits. Even the best among us are sinners - its why communism will never work.

[jaffles]

never mentioned communism. But I'm not so sure it would be so bad if the ego and control is taken out of it. And if one thinks democracy is fair and just then that's pie in the sky romancing also. Politics, power, ego, profit draws a certain type of person, I listen to the radio all day long where academics, professionals, lesser people make perfect sense on how to address community issues. But put it in the hands of politicians and it goes side ways. Just saying there must be a different way then what's regurgitating.

The picture you paint for me, is guns are fine, its the operator who chooses where to point them. There is no input or responsibility by authority other than to hit hard when those gun are pointed the wrong direction.

America has more massacres then weeks in the year and still the US think they need guns to protect themselves. The ripple effect of those mascaras on community alone suggest something is wrong with that thinking, let alone the democracy that supports it.

I once sold a Land Rover to an American who came down under to do a lap in it. One of his first questions was where is the gun rack. I said WTF do you want that for. He seemed to be concerned/fearful of nature, humans, or just because. But it shows the mindset what can be cultured by society.

Perhaps a gun to a citizen is like a nuclear weapon to a country, they are taking personal responsibility and have the ultimate influencer and protection. But its all the shit around that (as you are asking) why society has no responsibility, respect and just stands by watching.

Guess I'm trying to make the point of you keep doing the same you get the same result. Getting tuff on crime is a boring old catch line that appeals to win votes and support. Bring them in, charge them, release them, but also release the stats on getting tuff. Mean while ol mates out there being a deviate again.

Like I said back at the start, there are 100+ tentacles to every problem, but I get the vibe there is little interest in anything else besides getting tuff on crime and self responsibility. We are not gong to change the the world on hear but appears little more is going to be discussed besides holding the fort the way its always been done.

I get Sedan has to tow the official line. It's his thread offering official responses and seems to have like minded responders all supporting each other. That's all fine. I take my hat off to Sedan, blowed if I'd go to work and with every interaction outside the office walls I could die. I can see where every decision-action if life or death for his world, but for most of us its a little less intense and we live in communities without guns. Life is not so black and white.

I could offer an example of repetitive tuff punishment, distrust and condemnation on a child lead to a youth becoming a disrespectful shit head against authority. Then when he figured it out chose a different path with his own son who through mutual respect that son makes good decisions. Yes minor mistakes are made but effective communication and respect are all that is required for correction.

But be it countries, law enforcement, or governance, they all like to keep doing it the old way they have always done it; because it works so well apparently. Imagine if all the money spent on defense went into fixing diplomacy, fixing community, fixing a country.

Think I'm out on this thread. I wish you well gentlemen and a good day. Been fun.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by jaffles

never mentioned communism. But I'm not so sure it would be so bad if the ego and control is taken out of it. And if one thinks democracy is fair and just then that's pie in the sky romancing also. Politics, power, ego, profit draws a certain type of person, I listen to the radio all day long where academics, professionals, lesser people make perfect sense on how to address community issues. But put it in the hands of politicians and it goes side ways. Just saying there must be a different way then what's regurgitating.

The picture you paint for me, is guns are fine, its the operator who chooses where to point them. There is no input or responsibility by authority other than to hit hard when those gun are pointed the wrong direction.

America has more massacres then weeks in the year and still the US think they need guns to protect themselves. The ripple effect of those mascaras on community alone suggest something is wrong with that thinking, let alone the democracy that supports it.

I once sold a Land Rover to an American who came down under to do a lap in it. One of his first questions was where is the gun rack. I said WTF do you want that for. He seemed to be concerned/fearful of nature, humans, or just because. But it shows the mindset what can be cultured by society.

Perhaps a gun to a citizen is like a nuclear weapon to a country, they are taking personal responsibility and have the ultimate influencer and protection. But its all the shit around that (as you are asking) why society has no responsibility, respect and just stands by [...]

There isn’t a single person on this planet who doesn’t have ego on some level. We are humans navigating human endeavors. Those academics and professionals have zero perspective (…just like citizens on police commissions with zero law enforcement experience, but swear they know how to fix it all).

Guns ARE good. Guns in the hands of citizens are the only reason we still have some of the freedoms we do in this country; a checksum, so to speak. WE are capable of revolt, if necessary. If you don’t think you need a gun to protect yourself, that is your prerogative. For everybody else, exercise that right, because criminals will surely bring guns to any fight they choose to involve themselves in…….including kicking in your door, tying up your family, etc.

Responsibility is an individual imperative, gun or not. Most LEGAL gun owners aren’t the people committing crimes with them, so it shatters your narrative. It’s no surprise most of the gun crimes happen in areas run by progressive governments.

As for getting tough on crime…..

…..you actually have to enforce and implement tougher policies to see results. We are seeing results now that the adults are running the show again and not playing games, and it has progressives upset because….gasp!….its actually having an effect. Imagine that!

With all due respect, please stop saying I’m towing an official line. I’m providing “boots on the ground” perspective and opening up dialogue. Not everybody who has posted in this thread is in 100% agreement.

There are no communities without guns in the U.S. You are isolated, assuming your “down under” comment meant you reside is Australia and based on your QLD license plate. You don’t have Mexico and cartels to the south of you. You don’t have Cuba and similar countries to the east of you who can infiltrate your beaches after a 1 hour boat ride. You don’t have a porous border there. People can’t easily get to Australia from problematic countries. However, we did see Australian citizens catch hell during COVID, being locked down against their will though. Fighting back against the government wasn’t an option because citizens there have no real means.

You can’t compare life there to life here. You don’t have nearly the criminal element there that we have here, and your country isn’t exploited in the same way North America is. I’m certain your country also does a better job of enforcing immigration laws too.

Stay and engage. No need to vacate the thread. Alternative viewpoints are welcome and I/we don’t mind being challenged.

[Watching The World Burn]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

WE are capable of revolt, if necessary.

I tend to agree with most of what you said, except this, unless it were widescale. And I struggle to come up with a scenario where that would happen - I think more likely it is pockets of resistance / revolt, not widespread. Because I think most would go "Ah, well, it's annoying but it doesn't affect me so deeply that I need to try to fight the national guard / police / army / whatever the opposing force is". But some of you would. The numbers would be smaller. And honestly, can't see that pocket winning against the government and the weapons class they have vs your firearms. Just radically different.

Now, to be fair, I think it'd cause a lot of damage simply because it probably wouldn't be easy to identify the revolting group and so you guys could adopt guerilla warfare techniques which would surely inflict pain on the government, but ultimately, they'd still be successful in implementing the thing that you were revolting against in my opinion.

You can make an argument that the opposing force isn't going to shoot their revolting neighbour / friend / family member etc, but again, can't imagine the government would be stupid enough to use a local force, and if it isn't local, then there's little connection, and let's face it, Americans in general have shown great willingness to shoot pretty much anyone for roughly anything by now if you look at news stories. You only need to recruit these people and I don't think they'll care much about who it is they are shooting. Just the other day there was a story about the Amazon driver shot the USPS driver in the face over something and called it "self defense". Not sure why delivering packages needed to devolve to that, but that's where we're at, because no one considers consequences to their actions - they just act.

I don't know - I just don't really buy the revolt argument - not at least where it is successful. Maybe you guys will prove me wrong sooner rather than later the way it seems like things are going.

I've always figured Australia has natural barriers to immigration - if pretty much every moving thing in that land has the ability to jack you up at a minimum, and kill you at a maximum, you generally tend to start considering other countries that have a more hospitable natural environment.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Watching The World Burn

I tend to agree with most of what you said, except this, unless it were widescale. And I struggle to come up with a scenario where that would happen - I think more likely it is pockets of resistance / revolt, not widespread. Because I think most would go "Ah, well, it's annoying but it doesn't affect me so deeply that I need to try to fight the national guard / police / army / whatever the opposing force is". But some of you would. The numbers would be smaller. And honestly, can't see that pocket winning against the government and the weapons class they have vs your firearms. Just radically different.

Now, to be fair, I think it'd cause a lot of damage simply because it probably wouldn't be easy to identify the revolting group and so you guys could adopt guerilla warfare techniques which would surely inflict pain on the government, but ultimately, they'd still be successful in implementing the thing that you were revolting against in my opinion.

You can make an argument that the opposing force isn't going to shoot their revolting neighbour / friend / family member etc, but again, can't imagine the government would be stupid enough to use a local force, and if it isn't local, then there's little connection.

I don't know - I just don't really buy the revolt argument - not at least where it is successful. Maybe you guys will prove me wrong sooner rather than later the way it seems like things are going.

I've always figured Australia has natural barriers to immigration - if pretty much every moving thing in that land has the ability to jack you up at a [...]

Well, I can tell you that the armed forces, law enforcement departments, etc. are predominantly staffed with patriotic/conservative types. Would some turn against the people in a people vs. the government scenario? Sure!….but most of us wouldn’t. You can’t have a fighting force if your personnel are unwilling to fight for your governmental cause. Heck, people chose to quit over the idea of enforcing COVID restrictions on people. Look at rioters. When a large number of unruly people start engaging in unruly things, they far outnumber us in government. Add patriotic types to that and the government at large would not be able to control it without large scale deployment (…aka…a willingness to kill masses of people).

[Watching The World Burn]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Well, I can tell you that the armed forces, law enforcement departments, etc. are predominantly staffed with patriotic/conservative types. Would some turn against the people in a people vs. the government scenario? Sure!….but most of us wouldn’t. You can’t have a fighting force if your personnel are unwilling to fight for your governmental cause. Heck, people chose to quit over the idea of enforcing COVID restrictions on people. Look at rioters. When a large number of unruly people start engaging in unruly things, they far outnumber us in government. Add patriotic types to that and the government at large would not be able to control it without large scale deployment (…aka…a willingness to kill masses of people).

Sure, and I would bet that you're absolutely correct that by and large such departments are staffed with patriotic people. You'd know first hand of course, but that would be my assumption as well.

That said, consider how it would start in a hypothetical scenario - its not as though Hitler just jumped in right off the hop and suggested killing Jews might be a good idea and the Germans went "Yup, sounds good". It was slow. Insidious. Starts off small.

That's the playbook. For most things really - evil or good. Its the boiling frog analogy, just slowing adjust the temperature till it doesn't even realize it is boiling.

And so that's why I'd say while there would be majority patriotic types there, you make a small change, very small, slightly offensive perhaps initially, but not worth acting over and normalize it. Then the next change, small again, but insidious. Normalized. But then you have Joe Next Door Neighbour who has had it by the second change and decides somebody needs to die.

How would that action be perceived by the law enforcement / Army? My guess is that it would be seen as taking justice into your own hands, offensive, and Joe Next Door Neighbour needs to be brought to justice. Which may or may not end with a shootout. But then he looks like a crazy and the police / army are able to sort of convince themselves that he's wrong...even though if they took a step back and remembered the way things were two changes ago, they might actually not disagree with Joe. But they won't remember that.

Now expand that - its not just Joe, its a larger group. Even better, because there is a greater chance for stupidity with numbers. Someone from that group decides a very large "firecracker" might be just the ticket and a couple innocent people lose their lives. I'll bet there is again little sympathy from the police / armed forces for this and they view them as criminals instead and need to be brought to justice.

Narratives will be twisted and framed, slow changes made, people will "revolt" but in small numbers enough so as to be labeled crazy and operating outside the law, etc. That's just how I see it happening.

I acknowledge I could be wrong.

The only way I see it succeeding as I said earlier is it has to be widespread. And I mean widespread.

[ezaircon4jc]

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[vreihen16]

Originally Posted by ezaircon4jc

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Just make sure that the body has fallen inside the door and not outside/retreating before the police arrive.....

[jamesinaz]

Originally Posted by vreihen16

Just make sure that the body has fallen inside the door and not outside/retreating before the police arrive.....

Funny advice. The real advice is to actually only use it when you fear for your life and then do NOT interfere with the evidence.

Such as he can be outside your door but if he was kicking it and you feared it would give way shooting thru the door is legal. Dragging him inside only opens you to a whole lot of legal problems.

[Watching The World Burn]

Originally Posted by jamesinaz

Funny advice. The real advice is to actually only use it when you fear for your life and then do NOT interfere with the evidence.

Such as he can be outside your door but if he was kicking it and you feared it would give way shooting thru the door is legal. Dragging him inside only opens you to a whole lot of legal problems.

What if you trained your dog to drag him inside?

[Maynard]

Is it legit to put your front license plate on the dashboard, or does it need to be mounted on the front of the car? Perhaps this is state-specific, but what is your take on it?

[vreihen16]

Originally Posted by Maynard

Is it legit to put your front license plate on the dashboard, or does it need to be mounted on the front of the car? Perhaps this is state-specific, but what is your take on it?

You live in NY State, which has capital punishment on the books for anyone driving with a missing/obscured front license plate trying to avoid LPR cameras or electronic tolling. Down in NYC, the police agencies have teams standing around toll plazas yanking/ticketing every single car with plates not clearly visible every day.....

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by jamesinaz

Funny advice. The real advice is to actually only use it when you fear for your life and then do NOT interfere with the evidence.

Such as he can be outside your door but if he was kicking it and you feared it would give way shooting thru the door is legal. Dragging him inside only opens you to a whole lot of legal problems.

I wouldn’t shoot through the door leading to the exterior of the house. Too many potential legal ramifications and it gives the defense more options to argue reasonable doubt. I want the breach first. I want the full extent of the law on my side. I would, however, shoot through an interior door.

Originally Posted by Maynard

Is it legit to put your front license plate on the dashboard, or does it need to be mounted on the front of the car? Perhaps this is state-specific, but what is your take on it?

Technically it needs to be affixed to the car to be valid, but most cops aren’t that hard-up about it. Meter Maids are a different story.

[cmyx6go]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Technically it needs to be affixed to the car to be valid, but most cops aren’t that hard-up about it. Meter Maids are a different story.

NYC is brutal with front plate enforcement. Not sure about outside the city.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by cmyx6go

NYC is brutal with front plate enforcement. Not sure about outside the city.

Is it the actual police or the parking enforcement?

[cmyx6go]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Is it the actual police or the parking enforcement?

Actual police.

You might get lucky if you get pulled over and get a sympathetic fellow car guy, but as Vreihen said they have check points set up at all the bridge and tunnels. In addition, they have check points randomly popping up on main streets. They are looking for registration, inspection and bogus plates for toll evaders and anything plate related.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by cmyx6go

Actual police.

Crazy! There’s too much crime there to be focused so aggressively on petty violations.

[cmyx6go]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Crazy! There’s too much crime there to be focused so aggressively on petty violations.

Welcome to NY. It's all about the $. They recently started congestion pricing for cars traveling within certain areas of Manhattan. Cars are charged by plate readers. Cha Ching! Gotta make sure those plates are good.

They let criminals out with no bail that have 20, 30 prior arrests..

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by cmyx6go

Welcome to NY. It's all about the $. They recently started congestion pricing for cars traveling within certain areas of Manhattan. Cars are charged by plate readers. Cha Ching! Gotta make sure those plates are good.

They let criminals out with no bail that have 20, 30 prior arrests..

The State of California and New York State……the complicity twins.

[vreihen16]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Crazy! There’s too much crime there to be focused so aggressively on petty violations.

Let me put it into perspective.

Crossing the George Washington Bridge, Lincoln and Holland Tunnels, and the other bridges from NJ has the following tolls from the Port Authority:

Car/Motorcycle: $22.38 toll by mail
Box Truck: $49.36 toll by mail
Tractor-Trailer: $123.40 toll by mail

Crossing most of the bridges/tunnels from the east has the following tolls from the Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA)...charged in both directions for some:

Cars: $11.19 toll by mail
Box Truck: $36.86 toll by mail
Tractor-Trailer: $60.56 toll by mail

Now that you're in Manhattan, you also need to pay the congestion pricing toll if you drive south of 60th street...which is collected by gantry-mounted LPR cameras. The toll varies by time of day, but the worst-case is:

Cars: $13.50 toll by mail
Motorcycle: $6.75 toll by mail
Box Truck: $21.60 toll by mail
Tractor-Trailer: $32.40 toll by mail

There are discounts and commuter plans for those with E-Z Pass toll transponders that reduce these fees some, but you can see why delivery truck and big-rig drivers have flip-up front plates on their vehicles to avoid being charged for tolls.

Putting it another way, the top-10 toll scofflaws owe a combined amount that is in excess of your new pool's cost...and that's only 10 vehicles! There's a reason why the governor is out there at the toll booth enforcement zones for the photo-ops at least once per month.

On the other side of the coin, we pay 1/8% of our sales tax and a 0.34% payroll tax up here in the sticks to fund the Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA), yet have ZERO MTA buses, subways, or trains servicing our county...so it's apparently OK for them to rob us blind.

Originally Posted by cmyx6go

They let criminals out with no bail that have 20, 30 prior arrests..

...because our prisons are all full of toll evaders!!!!!

[vreihen16]

In less than two weeks, a single tractor-trailer avoiding the toll on the George Washington Bridge once per day can rack up felony-level unpaid tolls!!!!!

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by vreihen16

...because our prisons are all full of toll evaders!!!!!

Those numbers/figures are staggering. Holy smokes!