XBimmers.com | BMW X6 Forum X5 Forum
 
TireRack



BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Today's Posts


Go Back   XBimmers.com | BMW X6 Forum X5 Forum > BIMMERPOST Universal Forums > Off-Topic Discussions Board > The Sports Lounge

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      11-27-2017, 10:32 AM   #287
RickFLM4
Brigadier General
RickFLM4's Avatar
United_States
11803
Rep
4,870
Posts

Drives: M4
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: PB County, FL

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by mookie45 View Post
These Jimbo leaving FSU rumors for TAMU are becoming more worrisome.
I've read the same thing but don't understand why he would go to TAMU vs. staying at FSU or going to LSU last year. Is FSU in that bad of shape? Maybe he's letting the rumors circulate to get more money for himself, assistant coaches or facilities at FSU?

Surprised I haven't heard Les Miles' name pop up over the last few days. Did I miss something about him? I know he had some bad patches at LSU, but there are a lot of jobs out there and programs are down to look at Greg Schiano (or at least were as of yesterday afternoon).
__________________
Current: 2018 SO/SS F83 ZCP
Gone: 2015 SO/SO F82
Appreciate 0
      11-27-2017, 10:55 AM   #288
insanecoder
Banned
1410
Rep
3,211
Posts

Drives: 340isDrive
Join Date: May 2016
Location: East Coast USA

iTrader: (0)

lol just when they thought a 4 team playoff was good enough
along comes this year!
we need an 8 team playoff.. it better captures the conference champs
Appreciate 0
      11-27-2017, 11:46 AM   #289
kprocivic
Lieutenant Colonel
kprocivic's Avatar
814
Rep
1,575
Posts

Drives: ecoboost s to the t
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: 92346

iTrader: (7)

10 teams. Anyone can beat anyone on any given day.
Appreciate 1
      11-27-2017, 11:59 AM   #290
RickFLM4
Brigadier General
RickFLM4's Avatar
United_States
11803
Rep
4,870
Posts

Drives: M4
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: PB County, FL

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by insanecoder View Post
lol just when they thought a 4 team playoff was good enough
along comes this year!
we need an 8 team playoff.. it better captures the conference champs
I think 8 teams makes sense. The Power 5 conf champs auto in + 3 chosen among at large / runner ups, Independents and smaller conferences. Elevates meaning of conf championship but still has 3 spots available to resolve the inevitable but-this-conf-runner up-is-better-than-that-conf-winner debates. If you don't win your conference and still don't get selected for one of those 3 spots... too bad.
__________________
Current: 2018 SO/SS F83 ZCP
Gone: 2015 SO/SO F82
Appreciate 1
      11-27-2017, 03:30 PM   #291
insanecoder
Banned
1410
Rep
3,211
Posts

Drives: 340isDrive
Join Date: May 2016
Location: East Coast USA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by RickFLM4 View Post
I think 8 teams makes sense. The Power 5 conf champs auto in + 3 chosen among at large / runner ups, Independents and smaller conferences. Elevates meaning of conf championship but still has 3 spots available to resolve the inevitable but-this-conf-runner up-is-better-than-that-conf-winner debates. If you don't win your conference and still don't get selected for one of those 3 spots... too bad.
You know they always give the lame excuse that itll mean more games to play
1) they make more money
2) the players want to play more
3) let the NC be decided on the field not by a bunch of cinderella beauty contest judges
Appreciate 1
RickFLM411802.50
      11-27-2017, 04:04 PM   #292
RickFLM4
Brigadier General
RickFLM4's Avatar
United_States
11803
Rep
4,870
Posts

Drives: M4
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: PB County, FL

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by insanecoder View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by RickFLM4 View Post
I think 8 teams makes sense. The Power 5 conf champs auto in + 3 chosen among at large / runner ups, Independents and smaller conferences. Elevates meaning of conf championship but still has 3 spots available to resolve the inevitable but-this-conf-runner up-is-better-than-that-conf-winner debates. If you don't win your conference and still don't get selected for one of those 3 spots... too bad.
You know they always give the lame excuse that itll mean more games to play
1) they make more money
2) the players want to play more
3) let the NC be decided on the field not by a bunch of cinderella beauty contest judges
Either than or collapse 5 conferences into 4 and just let 4 conference champs slug it out. 4 team playoff for 5 conferences is bad math.
__________________
Current: 2018 SO/SS F83 ZCP
Gone: 2015 SO/SO F82
Appreciate 0
      11-28-2017, 11:04 PM   #293
Flying Ace
Lieutenant General
Flying Ace's Avatar
5041
Rep
11,896
Posts

Drives: G05 45e, 997.1 & 991.1 GT3s
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: SF, CA

iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by mookie45 View Post
These Jimbo leaving FSU rumors for TAMU are becoming more worrisome.
Dude..TAMU invested almost $1 billion into football facilities. Clemson is the sexy ACC team now. FSU needs to reinvent themselves to keep top recruits and coaches.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      11-28-2017, 11:05 PM   #294
Flying Ace
Lieutenant General
Flying Ace's Avatar
5041
Rep
11,896
Posts

Drives: G05 45e, 997.1 & 991.1 GT3s
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: SF, CA

iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by insanecoder View Post
lol just when they thought a 4 team playoff was good enough
along comes this year!
we need an 8 team playoff.. it better captures the conference champs
And then 10, and then 14, 16, when does it end? It's not everyone gets a trophy day. You want to ensure your spot? Don't lose.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      11-28-2017, 11:07 PM   #295
Flying Ace
Lieutenant General
Flying Ace's Avatar
5041
Rep
11,896
Posts

Drives: G05 45e, 997.1 & 991.1 GT3s
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: SF, CA

iTrader: (5)

Tennessee is a dumpster fire of a football program. They allowed a mob moving on false information to affect an coaching decision made by major boosters and the AD.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      11-29-2017, 01:55 AM   #296
hellrotm
Banned
4141
Rep
6,924
Posts

Drives: F80
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: ...Location...Location

iTrader: (0)

LOL at Herbstreit today trying say an Ohio St win over Wisconsin they should be in. He is such a homer.

Did he forget they got dominated at home by OU and got murdered by a 5 loss Iowa team? Honestly they are a couple plays away from 3 losses with that Penn St game that came down to final seconds.

Does he want to make the regular season meaningless. I’m sorry but a conf championship doesn’t erase a botched season. They simply didn’t play up to their potential.

With his logic a 2 loss USC should be in with a win over a ranked Stanford in championship game. At least their two losses are to ranked opponents.

Last edited by hellrotm; 11-29-2017 at 02:16 AM..
Appreciate 0
      11-29-2017, 02:05 AM   #297
hellrotm
Banned
4141
Rep
6,924
Posts

Drives: F80
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: ...Location...Location

iTrader: (0)

A four team playoff is just fine. Makes the season mean something.

Like said above, you want a spot...don’t lose.

Last edited by hellrotm; 11-29-2017 at 02:23 AM..
Appreciate 0
      11-29-2017, 02:42 AM   #298
hellrotm
Banned
4141
Rep
6,924
Posts

Drives: F80
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: ...Location...Location

iTrader: (0)

A 3 loss LSU isn’t in the top 25? They have a win over #2 Auburn. They are behind 4 loss teams and a 3 loss Fresno St. WTF?
Appreciate 0
      11-29-2017, 07:00 AM   #299
kscarrol
Brigadier General
kscarrol's Avatar
United_States
9494
Rep
4,130
Posts

Drives: 2021 X3 M40i, 1974 2002 Tii
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Greenville, SC

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackJetE90 View Post
A 3 loss LSU isn’t in the top 25? They have a win over #2 Auburn. They are behind 4 loss teams and a 3 loss Fresno St. WTF?
They are # 17....
__________________
2021 X3 M40i
1974 2002tii, Inka, 5 sp manual
BMWCCA # 327475
Appreciate 0
      11-29-2017, 10:08 AM   #300
hellrotm
Banned
4141
Rep
6,924
Posts

Drives: F80
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: ...Location...Location

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by kscarrol View Post
They are # 17....
Completely missed that for some reason.
Appreciate 0
      11-29-2017, 10:12 AM   #301
kprocivic
Lieutenant Colonel
kprocivic's Avatar
814
Rep
1,575
Posts

Drives: ecoboost s to the t
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: 92346

iTrader: (7)

Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackJetE90 View Post
LOL at Herbstreit today trying say an Ohio St win over Wisconsin they should be in. He is such a homer.

Did he forget they got dominated at home by OU and got murdered by a 5 loss Iowa team? Honestly they are a couple plays away from 3 losses with that Penn St game that came down to final seconds.

Does he want to make the regular season meaningless. I’m sorry but a conf championship doesn’t erase a botched season. They simply didn’t play up to their potential.

With his logic a 2 loss USC should be in with a win over a ranked Stanford in championship game. At least their two losses are to ranked opponents.
USC would have 2 wins over a ranked Stanford team.
Appreciate 1
UncleWede18399.00
      11-29-2017, 10:15 AM   #302
UncleWede
Long Time Admirer, First Time Owner
UncleWede's Avatar
United_States
18399
Rep
9,420
Posts

Drives: G01 X3 M40i Dark Graphite
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Oxnard, CA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by kprocivic View Post
USC would have 2 wins over a ranked Stanford team.
But instead we are running for the roses . . .
Appreciate 0
      11-29-2017, 01:24 PM   #303
Flying Ace
Lieutenant General
Flying Ace's Avatar
5041
Rep
11,896
Posts

Drives: G05 45e, 997.1 & 991.1 GT3s
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: SF, CA

iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackJetE90 View Post
LOL at Herbstreit today trying say an Ohio St win over Wisconsin they should be in. He is such a homer.

Did he forget they got dominated at home by OU and got murdered by a 5 loss Iowa team? Honestly they are a couple plays away from 3 losses with that Penn St game that came down to final seconds.

Does he want to make the regular season meaningless. I’m sorry but a conf championship doesn’t erase a botched season. They simply didn’t play up to their potential.

With his logic a 2 loss USC should be in with a win over a ranked Stanford in championship game. At least their two losses are to ranked opponents.
The flaw with this logic:

1. You're simply comparing losses. The reality is, you balance the losses with the quality of wins and this year's committee especially has put more emphasis on the quality of wins.

Ohio State's quality wins are against a 2-loss Penn State, 3-loss Mich State, and if they win a 1-loss Wisconsin
Bama's quality wins are against a 3-loss LSU and a 4-loss Miss State. That's it.
USC's quality wins are against a 2-loss (or 3-loss) Stanford team, twice.

Then you add the aspect of a conference championship, and discount it against the quality of the losses.

2. The second flaw is, everyone compares Ohio State in a vacuum. That is you're comparing Ohio State against themselves and on a conceptual idea of "do they deserve it?". You have to compare Ohio State against the other contestants for the 4th spot.

When you look at Bama, USC, Georgia, Notre Dame, and Miami, Ohio State doesn't look so bad when you look at wins and losses.

3. There's the subjective eyeball test. It's akin to say, have UCF play Bama. You can't honestly say that the quality of play of UCF is comparable or better than Bama. It doesn't matter Bama is a 1-loss non-champion, Bama is clearly the better team. The committee has always put more weight on the final games of the season and the quality of those wins. That's why Ohio State got in back in 2014, they won and won big in all their final 4 games of conference play.

4. There's a flawed assumption that the committee is bound by ANY type of consistency across the years or within the same year. Sure, as pundits, we all want to use some base to make an opinion or estimate on the outcome, but the reality is, we created this committee to allow subjectivity back into the championship. If you hate subjectivity, then you just need a computer model. The computer model today (at least ESPN's) has Bama at #1 and Ohio State at #2.
__________________

Last edited by Flying Ace; 11-29-2017 at 01:29 PM..
Appreciate 0
      11-29-2017, 01:42 PM   #304
kprocivic
Lieutenant Colonel
kprocivic's Avatar
814
Rep
1,575
Posts

Drives: ecoboost s to the t
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: 92346

iTrader: (7)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying Ace View Post
The flaw with this logic:

1. You're simply comparing losses. The reality is, you balance the losses with the quality of wins and this year's committee especially has put more emphasis on the quality of wins.

Ohio State's quality wins are against a 2-loss Penn State, 3-loss Mich State, and if they win a 1-loss Wisconsin
Bama's quality wins are against a 3-loss LSU and a 4-loss Miss State. That's it.
USC's quality wins are against a 2-loss (or 3-loss) Stanford team, twice.

Then you add the aspect of a conference championship, and discount it against the quality of the losses.

2. The second flaw is, everyone compares Ohio State in a vacuum. That is you're comparing Ohio State against themselves and on a conceptual idea of "do they deserve it?". You have to compare Ohio State against the other contestants for the 4th spot.

When you look at Bama, USC, Georgia, Notre Dame, and Miami, Ohio State doesn't look so bad when you look at wins and losses.

3. There's the subjective eyeball test. It's akin to say, have UCF play Bama. You can't honestly say that the quality of play of UCF is comparable or better than Bama. It doesn't matter Bama is a 1-loss non-champion, Bama is clearly the better team. The committee has always put more weight on the final games of the season and the quality of those wins. That's why Ohio State got in back in 2014, they won and won big in all their final 4 games of conference play.

4. There's a flawed assumption that the committee is bound by ANY type of consistency across the years or within the same year. Sure, as pundits, we all want to use some base to make an opinion or estimate on the outcome, but the reality is, we created this committee to allow subjectivity back into the championship. If you hate subjectivity, then you just need a computer model. The computer model today (at least ESPN's) has Bama at #1 and Ohio State at #2.
Great point but I think consistency is very important. Subjectivity cannot be weighed, so it should not weigh more on a scale.
Appreciate 0
      11-29-2017, 01:52 PM   #305
RickFLM4
Brigadier General
RickFLM4's Avatar
United_States
11803
Rep
4,870
Posts

Drives: M4
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: PB County, FL

iTrader: (0)

There is plenty of room for debate of OSU vs. Alabama IF OSU beats Wisconsin. Best case for both of them is for TCU and OSU to win.

I think ACC and SEC winners are in and losers are out, except maybe Clemson will join Bama/OSU debate if Miami manages to pull out a close win and both TCU and OSU win. USC is already out.
__________________
Current: 2018 SO/SS F83 ZCP
Gone: 2015 SO/SO F82
Appreciate 1
Flying Ace5041.00
      11-29-2017, 01:55 PM   #306
kprocivic
Lieutenant Colonel
kprocivic's Avatar
814
Rep
1,575
Posts

Drives: ecoboost s to the t
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: 92346

iTrader: (7)

Quote:
Originally Posted by RickFLM4 View Post
There is plenty of room for debate of OSU vs. Alabama IF OSU beats Wisconsin. Best case for both of them is for TCU and OSU to win.

I think ACC and SEC winners are in and losers are out, except maybe Clemson will join Bama/OSU debate if Miami manages to pull out a close win and both TCU and OSU win. USC is already out.
Nah USC has a sliver of hope just like Miami.
Appreciate 0
      11-29-2017, 02:22 PM   #307
RickFLM4
Brigadier General
RickFLM4's Avatar
United_States
11803
Rep
4,870
Posts

Drives: M4
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: PB County, FL

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by kprocivic View Post
Nah USC has a sliver of hope just like Miami.
I don't think so. Miami has one loss and plays the #1 team on Saturday. Easy to see the Canes in with a win, so effectively they control their own destiny. (Expecting them win may be a little tougher for non-loyalists.) Hard to see any scenario where USC jumps up to get in if it beats Stanford again no matter what happens. Even if all current top 4 lose, there's still GA, MIA, OSU and Alabama, not to mention a 2-loss Clemson the committee seems to love and TCU that beat OK.
__________________
Current: 2018 SO/SS F83 ZCP
Gone: 2015 SO/SO F82
Appreciate 0
      11-29-2017, 02:59 PM   #308
Flying Ace
Lieutenant General
Flying Ace's Avatar
5041
Rep
11,896
Posts

Drives: G05 45e, 997.1 & 991.1 GT3s
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: SF, CA

iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by RickFLM4 View Post
I don't think so. Miami has one loss and plays the #1 team on Saturday. Easy to see the Canes in with a win, so effectively they control their own destiny. (Expecting them win may be a little tougher for non-loyalists.) Hard to see any scenario where USC jumps up to get in if it beats Stanford again no matter what happens. Even if all current top 4 lose, there's still GA, MIA, OSU and Alabama, not to mention a 2-loss Clemson the committee seems to love and TCU that beat OK.
I agree, USC is definitely not in favor and virtually have nothing to hang their hat on.

The nighmare situation for all other teams would be a Clemson loss. Bc Clemson would have the best quality win out of anyone. This is the only situation where I can see the committee putting 2 teams from the same conference in. Which means, Ohio State champion is out, and all others between 5-10 are all out.
__________________
Appreciate 1
RickFLM411802.50
Post Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:52 PM.




xbimmers
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST