F1 2024: Japanese GP - Suzuka (Apr 7)

[Andrew2]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

The Red Bull RB20 gets a new upgraded floor at Suzuka

Complete with refuse - tear off protection ?

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Andrew2

Complete with refuse - tear off protection ?

[M5Rick]

^ Well my friend i will be wearing my original RBR team hat and a choice of tops leaving the Brembo hat for Chas or Carlos heheh

[Andrew2]

I have no allegiance to any team, just interested in the technology and the race craft of all the combatants

When one team dominates, so be it ... there are other races within the race to watch. I do not support the comments by Minardi`s Paul Stoddart that a leading - runaway team should carry a weight penalty

Maybe consider a RBR only thread ?

[Car-Addicted]

Is it just me or is seeing several constructors producing upgrades so early in the season some what unusual? In a year of more races and the cost cap seems like the heat is being cranked up with Ferrari, McLaren and Aston Martin getting closer to Red Bull.

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by Andrew2

When one team dominates, so be it ... there are other races within the race to watch. I do not support the comments by Minardi`s Paul Stoddart that a leading - runaway team should carry a weight penalty

Do you support the idea that a leading - runaway team should carry any sort of penalty?

Because thats in essence already a very controversial thing in sports.

Originally Posted by Andrew2

Maybe consider a RBR only thread ?

Any member can open a topic. So if you feel you need such a thread, go ahead

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by Andrew2

I have no allegiance to any team, just interested in the technology and the race craft of all the combatants

When one team dominates, so be it ... there are other races within the race to watch. I do not support the comments by Minardi`s Paul Stoddart that a leading - runaway team should carry a weight penalty

Maybe consider a RBR only thread ?

A leading team should not carry a weight penalty, and frankly I dont think RBR should carry a testing restriction - parity in testing and parity in budget, but I do agree that all teams should be able to make within 5 hp of one another and that if a team has significantly more hp, then they should be capped.

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Is it just me or is seeing several constructors producing upgrades so early in the season some what unusual? In a year of more races and the cost cap seems like the heat is being cranked up with Ferrari, McLaren and Aston Martin getting closer to Red Bull.

I don't think it's unusual. RB barely brought more than a few tweaks last year but did start planning and developing the RB20 nearly a year ago if we think about it. We are just seeing their planned upgrades now since they are back to normal testing for WT/CFD. I have a feeling the ceiling of the RB20 is much higher, and they are still learning the setup and car a bit. On the other hand, the RB19 copies are basically close to performance capacity for the design, but the RB20 has plenty to stretch over the year and will see a bit more next year while the other designs don't pick up much additional pace and those teams can't go back to the full scale rebuild...again.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

Do you support the idea that a leading - runaway team should carry any sort of penalty?
Because thats in essence already a very controversial thing in sports.

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

A leading team should not carry a weight penalty, and frankly I dont think RBR should carry a testing restriction - parity in testing and parity in budget, but I do agree that all teams should be able to make within 5 hp of one another and that if a team has significantly more hp, then they should be capped.

No paradigm shift is needed: Verstappen and his car need no penalty - it's up to the competing teams to build better performing cars and to let these race by the best skilled drivers.

Usain Bolt used to dominate his sport. Imagine that he would have been forced to carry a weight penalty during races "because he dominates the sport". OK, Bolt ran his track and field races all by himself, but you get the message.



Porsche had no truly competitive Le Mans car in the late 60s. Ford and Ferrari dominated the field. Porsche wanted to win Le Mans. They analyzed the rules, struck a deal with an experienced British team with a US sponsor (Gulf) and build together a rocket ship: the 917. Eye for details: prototypes proved to be unstable - a widow-maker ...until bugs/gnats splatter in the US showed Porsche the way: Porsche engineers had noticed way less splatted bugs on the tail and rear spoiler of their cars. The Can Am version with a longer upwards inclined tail proved to be more stable. Observational engineering and a so-called 'Aha Erlebnis'. To improve air flow and downforce dynamics they decided to redesign the tail of the 917: inclined aluminum panels were bolted on the tail with screws and duct tape. *Bingo*: improved stability and faster lap times. Porsche subsequently perfected the redesigned tail. The rest is history.

So Toto Wolff & Cº: get that zero pods design right. Adrian Newey will show that it's conceivable - Verstappen will do the rest.

See from 12:20 onwards:

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by Artemis

No paradigm shift is needed: Verstappen and his car need no penalty - it's up to the competing teams to build better performing cars and to let these race by the best skilled drivers.

Like my old college coach used to say. "Don't like getting beat? Do something about it...It's on you!!!"

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Like my old college coach used to say. "Don't like getting beat? Do something about it...It's on you!!!"

And if you can't beat them, join them.

As regards Toto Wolff: if you can't beat Verstappen, hire him.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Artemis

And if you can't beat them, join them.

As regards Toto Wolff: if you can't beat Verstappen, hire him.

As the saying goes, money can't buy everything.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

As the saying goes, money can't buy everything.

Over here it's "Want in one hand, $hit in the other; see which one fills up faster."

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Like my old college coach used to say. "Don't like getting beat? Do something about it...It's on you!!!"

" No Pain No Gain "

LEW : That hurts man !

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Over here it's "Want in one hand, $hit in the other; see which one fills up faster."

Urgh what a horrible thought, well the Wright brothers flying had to somewhere heheh

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Artemis

No paradigm shift is needed: Verstappen and his car need no penalty - it's up to the competing teams to build better performing cars and to let these race by the best skilled drivers.

Usain Bolt used to dominate his sport. Imagine that he would have been forced to carry a weight penalty during races "because he dominates the sport". OK, Bolt ran his track and field races all by himself, but you get the message.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Aching knees syndrome would be UB's problem now

[///M Power-Belgium]

非常に美しい

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

非常に美しい

Now that's what I call a true RBR fan

[Car-Addicted]

If you want a BOP then watch IMSA. I do and it's great racing but Formula One is the king of motor sports is a pure meritocracy.

Meritocracy
noun
A system in which advancement is based on individual ability or achievement.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Is it just me or is seeing several constructors producing upgrades so early in the season some what unusual? In a year of more races and the cost cap seems like the heat is being cranked up with Ferrari, McLaren and Aston Martin getting closer to Red Bull.

They can try

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

They can try

The Suzuka track is 'high speed corners my friend

BTW :Today the Japanese at the company said to me : Pity for the other drivers because Sunday there is a chance of rain !

Suzuka 2022 : MAX was P1 in the rain . Behind him it was an emptiness ....

[3798j]

since conversation briefly turned to the all-conquering 917...two shots of its frame...