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01-11-2024, 09:24 AM | #23 |
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And the evolution of the revolution continues! We are about to see some even more dynamic vehicles coming from BMW!
The capabilities, range, and dynamics of BEVs wouldn't me pushed until the likes of BMW, Porsche, Mercedes,...GM,...For and Dodge/Chrysler got into the market. This will also force even more accelerated growth of charging network(s), etc. I'm betting there will be charging sites in the not to far future like there are now gas stations or even more. And for those pushing back,...you know you can own more than 1 vehicle,...as many already do. No bragging,...but I have 4 ICE vehicles,...an HD Road Glide,...Avalanche, F90, M340,...and 45e. And I enjoy each of them without any reservations! Oh! Saved Round,...I almost forgot to add my Juiced Bike Rip Current S ebike! Yes, you guessed,...it really rips!
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I just don’t know if I want to live at all in the EV world. Nothing against EVs. I also have one and am very pleased, but it’s the beginning of the end. No feelings, everything just happens seamlessly. It’s not a big deal anymore to accelerate to 60 under 4s. It just happens, every day, no matter who drives it.
EVs are to Pistonheads as Techno music is to Beethoven. I’d favor keeping at least some ICE models. |
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01-11-2024, 09:32 AM | #25 | |
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Ive heard many plans and promises from countries, corporations, and people. They are rarely every accomplished and sometimes accomplished by killing the host. So BMW is only going to sell a majority of EV cars in 2027. Where they gunna plug them in? How are people gunna buy them, people can barely afford cars as is. What about other countries than posh suburbia? What about cities? BMW is a major automobile manufacturer. Tesla is boutique compared to BMW. at any rate, I support EV and honestly don't care if BMW choses to go fully EV. I'll just buy another car. but I will admit the article says ONLY full EV vechicles in 2027 so I guess what I said according to BMW is not correct. But we will see. you seem to have an axe to grind calling everyone brainwashed by political outlets and propaganda. But to think unless massive infrastructure is up rooted and changed within the next 10 years that a state can ban the sale of new ICE is a pipedream at best. not everyone who thinks differently than you is "brainwashed" by the media. I think we should probably go majority EV, but these timelines are just snake oil until the government puts their money where their mouth is and start having massive infrastructure changes. are we also going to ignore how the majority of our electricity is generated? |
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Even considering the current use of coal to power EVs and the polution caused by manufacturing EVs, EVs are far less polutant than ICE vehicles. Don’t just think tailpipe emissions, think the incredible polution caused by the processes needed to get the petroleum to the gas station. In about 10 years, ICE vehicles will have literally zero technical advantages over EVs. Think about that. 20 years into their lifecycle, EVs will have surpassed ICE vehicles in everyway, most importantly in their carbon footprint (which EVs have already done). Range will continue to increase, charging speed will continue to increase, weight will decrease etc. Obviously EVs likely won’t have the same visceral feel as ICE vehicles but who cares? ICE vehicles don’t have nearly the visceral feel of a horse and buggy, but you don’t hear anyone whining incessantly about that. |
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Both manufacturer's sold more cars than ever last year (debunking your statement than "people can barely afford new cars") |
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01-11-2024, 10:03 AM | #28 |
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01-11-2024, 10:07 AM | #29 | |
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I personally love EVs and whipping them around the city and daily driving. But i also love the sound of a v12 and v10. Where are people going to plug these in? Where are the plans for infrastructure? |
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In terms of the electrical infrastructure, why are you acting like this isn’t something that can be solved for? You think there will be 100,000,000 EVs on the road all at once? That’s not how things work. The electrical infra will continue to be redeveloped as we shift our energetic priorities, but clearly said infrastructure is in need of an overhaul. Part of that overhaul will include the continued introduction of renewable energy sources. |
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01-11-2024, 10:17 AM | #34 |
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I really don't mind EVs, just some ICE should be allowed to continue to live on. Cars aren't the only greenhouse gas producer, there's so many other sources and countries who make the contributions from cars look like a drop in the bucket.
There's a reason why so many people still choose to buy M2s, M3s, etc. over Tesla Model 3 Performance or BMW's very own i4 M50. Let hobbyists like us live in peace.
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01-11-2024, 10:19 AM | #35 | |
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apparantly tesla doesn't release its sales figues so how do we know its the most popular? Ford sold 750k f series last year. and you are correct about the car sales in 2023. Lets see how it pans out 2024 |
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Two things:
Everyone is judging this on how the vehicle is fueled. I think we've argued to death I6 vs I4, turbo or not, VANOS, etc etc etc. I think what will be keeping the BMW engineers up at night is, simply, "Is this a good car? Is this a great car? Is this a BMW?" Way too soon to tell. Secondly, it seems like one side of the political spectrum is over the top with capitalism, individualism, and competition. Guess what? This is a great opportunity for everyone. Updated Infrastructure, rebuilding our electrical grids, new careers - this can all happen. And don't think for a moment that this won't be endorsed by the US government. Check the news and sales out of China. We (in the USA) are way behind them in BEV and batteries - as soon as politicians see the writing on the wall, they will throw their weight behind it, culture wars or not. And all I hear is people complaining and it sounds like another round of "Get off my lawn". Pipe down gramps, change is coming. |
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Lot of russled jimmie's up in here. Don't like the way they are going, don't buy them. I don't like the new BMW's, so I bought something else. It's that easy.
or just be mad I guess. idk.
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Literally this. I don't understand how people cannot rationalise this concept and realise over the lifecycle of the car, it's still a net positive for the environment VS a ICE car.
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not a fan... but seems to be the way things are going so guess we have to go with it eventually
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The best part about all the theatrics in thes posts is that the article said they are moving ICE production to other plants. BFD. Yes, we know that the automotive world is sliding away from ICE vehicles, but this article doesn't say, BMW won't produce ICE vehicles in 2027. Just that they are moving that production to other plants.
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Just wait until they figure out the CH4 intensity of upstream O&G production
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BMW remains committed to ICE they are just switching production to Austria, the UK & China.
BMW to continue investing in ICE into the next decade 16th March 2023, 15:37 by Rahul Nagaraj BMW to continue investing in ICE into the next decade BMW will be introducing new generations of its X5, X6 and X7 models on a flexible platform, which is capable of supporting both ICE and EV powertrains. While most automakers have announced a deadline for their combustion engines, BMW is said to be an exception. According to reports, the German luxury carmaker has steered clear of any such announcements and instead has gone on to state that it will continue offering IC engine-powered models well into the future. Reports state that BMW will continue investing in its current crop of internal combustion engines well into the new decade. While BMW is aiming to increase its EV numbers, it wants 50% of its total sales to come from ICE cars in 2030. The carmaker currently has the B48 4-cylinder, B58 in-line 6-cylinder and the S68 V8. Of these, the S68 V8 was introduced just last year, replacing the N63 V8 unit; while the B58 unit also got an update via a 48V mild hybrid system. However, it's not just petrol engines, the carmaker will be updating & selling its diesel engines as well. One of the main reasons for BMW's ICE push is the huge popularity and profitability of its combustion engine-powered SUVs in markets like the USA and China. BMW will be introducing new generations of its X5, X6 and X7 models on a flexible platform, which is capable of supporting both ICE and EV powertrains. The engines though will no longer be built in Munich, Germany, which will shift to manufacturing BMW's EV powertrain. The production of BMW's petrol and diesel engines will shift to Austria, the UK & China. BMW seems confident that its electric vehicles and combustion cars can co-exist for a longer period. The company is also heavily investing in EVs, with a "Neue Klasse" platform for EVs scheduled to debut in 2026.
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