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Update: Dealer confirmed that it wasn't the top end or any of the workmanship associated with the recent replacement he did of the VSS (saw that coming). They think it's either a spun bearing and/or oil pump failure. There starting a case ticket with BMWUSA. I'll know next week what this is going to cost me.
If and when it comes to the rebuild would appreciate any recommendations on what to strengthen so this doesn't happen in the next 75K miles. |
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Bearing failures hu. Fuel dilution of oil?
This is my second bmw v8 and I purchased it specifically as more reliable replacement of my old n62..... so far so good, but this makes me a little concerned two in a row. Where either of you modified? |
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BMW had issues with the S65 and S85 main bearings as well. They really should have done something about it and I know many pushed to get them to address it, but nothing ever happened.
Sad to hear this.. also have a 13' X5M .. Good luck with this! |
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Quick update... Shop disabled the front end and found two bearings completely shot. They are waiting on the warranty inspector to come see the damage before approving anything. My mechanic thinks they will want to just drop a used engine in, to save on labor costs. That said, the cheapest used engine is over $12K, so getting a rebuilt from ghassan or troy seems like it might be the less expensive and better option(for me especially).
I've read a bunch of reviews for both ghassan and troy jeup, both extremely good and many extremely bad. I'd love any personal feedback for either if anyone has had any experience as I think I'll be going with one of them. I've attached some photos of the vehicle dismantled and the damage.
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Most likely oil starvation or degradation of slicks in oil. DI fuel dilution + extended oil drains.
Change your oil every 5k miles boys and girls. Go to Walmart and pick up 2 jugs of 0w-40 ($50) and just drain the oil and put fresh one in. You don’t even have to change the filter until the next time around. Your bearings ,turbos , cams and everything else will thank you. Seals will prolong as well. Fuel will harden rubber and cause them to fail “cough valve seals”. OP, that sucks man. Speedy recovery for you. Btw were there any ticks prior to this? |
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Thanks, it'll be at least a month before I'm back on the road, but I'm already looking forward to it. The engine sounded and ran perfectly 30 seconds before this happened. The oil level was full 2 days before as I specifically remember checking it. Here's what happened... I was stopped chatting with someone about his car(custom hot rod) while it my X5M idling and I was standing next to it. The engine sounded completely normal, no ticks of any kind. After saying g'bye, I jumped in and started driving away. The oil temp was up just under 210, I accelerated somewhat aggressively(I'd say 70%), though no where near floored and about 2 seconds after it shifted into 2nd the car died. I only noticed because the power steering stopped working, I wasn't even accelerating hard enough to notice the exhaust cut out. I coasted to a safe place and tried to start the car. It cranked a few times, but then just stopped. I thought maybe a computer had a fault, so I unplugged the battery for 15 minutes and tried again. A few more cranks, but it wouldn't turn over. That's when I called the tow truck. As for oil changes... I've owned BMWs for 10+ years and I completely and totally agree. The previous owner of my X5M changed the oil only when the computer told him too. He actually changed it right before I bought it and I changed it again less than a 1000 miles ago. I have always gone with the 5K interval for oil changes and I've had BMWs make it to nearly a quarter million miles with no engine issues(ran perfectly when I sold it!). Once I get this back on the road, it will be on the strict 5K interval.
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Fillout the safety forms below to get this service campaign extended to s63 engine
I only recently purchased this vehicle off the original owner but he would do a yearly preventative maintainence even when he'd drive 4-5000 kms ! I have went ahead and reported my issue on the Canadian and us road safety sites.
Canada: https://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur....aspx?lang=eng USA : https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/VehicleComplaint/ the more people we can get onboard , the bigger probability we can get the N63 service campaign to include the S63 engine! Most components are identical and shared! Those of you who spent this type of money should be reimbursed. This is definitely a SAFETY CONCERN ! MY POWER STEERING ALSO STOPPED AT 100-120KM/H , That's a huge safety concern . these must be addressed and right away! |
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I'm going to call in simply because it's not something I've dealt with directly...yet. I read about the N54 injector recall before it came out for the S63, yet while BMW denied it, mine failed...the last thing I want is timing chain to fail because of BMW's continued insistence on dragging their feet. If the EXACT same part is defective on one vehicle, it should be addressed on ALL platforms...the fact that we're running 150hp more than the N63 means we're even more prone to it!!!
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Update: Well local BMW who did the VSS less than 2 months ago determined that it wasn't their workmanship (yeah, I know what other outcome would there be). They submitted the case to BMWUSA and BMWUSA and the dealer quoted a replacement engine at $34K. As part of a good will, BMWUSA offered a free engine and the dealer quoted $10K to replace the engine plus a 2 year unlimited warranty. So I get a new engine installed and warranty for $10K. Now I'd rather have a "strengthened" engine, but I think going the local BMW dealer option over the Ghassan alternative is probably the right choice here. Anything comes up in the future, it's right down the road. Mind you I think I'm still getting stiffed as there's no way it's $10K to pull and install an engine, but $10K all said and done, ok.
I'm going to see if I can get them to pull the oil pan and see exactly what happened. I'll update as I go here. |
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Thats not bad, i'd love to have an option like that at this point, is there anyway you could dm your case number so i could ask them to refer to that in the meanwhile incase they give me no other options? |
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Dealerships make less money on warranty work than they do straight work...they're absolutely double dipping. While it's great that BMWUSA stepped up to the plate here, I'd still talk to them directly and casually ask why you still have to pay for $10k in labor and see if that's an indirect way of throwing your dealership under the bus.
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I'm curious, how long have you owned the X5M? I wonder if there is any chance I could get a good will replacement from BMW, even though I haven't had the work done at the dealership. Does anyone have experience with that?
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At least the US owners actually have recalls and SIB - BMW Australia don't even recognise the service bulletins.
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Spoke to BMW canada. Ultimately they don't want ti assist in any way shape or form. They say warrant is 4 years 80000kms, anything past that is not covered even though there was so much work completed on this car over the past year recalls of front propeller and driveshaft. They see our concerns but just want to deflect and not address. I was speaking to bongal case manager and she refused to let me speak to anyone higher then herself and stated that she makes the final decision based on bmw canada management. Is there any other assistance i can get?
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