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      03-21-2009, 11:27 PM   #1
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No performance upgrades yet? ECU tuning?

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I've just discovered that the X6 Twin Turbo has been out for about 6 months now, completely forgot about it.
I went to see one today and its nice, but has anyone developed some ECU tuning for it yet to upgrade the horse power?

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      03-22-2009, 06:27 AM   #2
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We have one here in uae,abudhabi a garage called PPP performance he do ecu tuning for the x6 he said he can upgrade it to 370 HP and 520NM.
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juice box will have one ready for the 35i soon and the good news is that it's a PnP
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For performance tuning see Dinan, they've done it for years for street and race.
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For performance tuning see Dinan, they've done it for years for street and race.
They do not have anything available yet. Hopefully in a few more months.
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They do not have anything available yet. Hopefully in a few more months.
If I was going to have my X6 tuned Dinan is the only one I would trust to do it.
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If I was going to have my X6 tuned Dinan is the only one I would trust to do it.
+1. I would not go with anyone that doesn't stand behind the factory warranty if they do performance mods. BMW has come a long way in detecting whether people have added performance mods such as piggybacks, ECU flashes, etc. and I would not want to having my warranty voided by adding performance.
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I'm not worried about that. I will definitely not be using Dinan as their tunes are always on the conservative side and thats just not me.

BurgerTuning is good, I used to have a 335i and I've met him personally a few times when he installed it on my 335i and then at a drag strip. If he comes out with an X6 piggyback then I'm definitely game for his product.

I'm waiting for the X6 M to be available and will be getting that modded. 650-700HP would be nice.
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They do not have anything available yet. Hopefully in a few more months.
I have read that any tuned BMW turbo is detected and recorded via iDrive now. So even if you remove the chip before going to the dealer they wil know the engine has been altered and void the warranty.

Beware. Dinan or not, you may be out of luck should you run into engine issues.
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I have read that any tuned BMW turbo is detected and recorded via iDrive now. So even if you remove the chip before going to the dealer they wil know the engine has been altered and void the warranty.

Beware. Dinan or not, you may be out of luck should you run into engine issues.
That is correct. Their latest Progman update on the 335i and all models can now detect whether or not a piggy back has even been installed and they are voiding a lot of warranties as a result of this. My service director said that BMW has already voided about 12 BMW owners warranties at my dealers because they had a tune of some nature and one guy had to fork out over $6k because his turbo was blown on 335i. These engines are so complex and with the computers as advanced as they are, I personally would not get a tune unless I knew I had backing by a group like Dinan. Better a little conservative and safe with increased power than trying to max your power increase to the limit and risk a lot of potential headaches and out of pocket expenses.
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That is correct. Their latest Progman update on the 335i and all models can now detect whether or not a piggy back has even been installed and they are voiding a lot of warranties as a result of this. My service director said that BMW has already voided about 12 BMW owners warranties at my dealers because they had a tune of some nature and one guy had to fork out over $6k because his turbo was blown on 335i. These engines are so complex and with the computers as advanced as they are, I personally would not get a tune unless I knew I had backing by a group like Dinan. Better a little conservative and safe with increased power than trying to max your power increase to the limit and risk a lot of potential headaches and out of pocket expenses.
+1

The last thing you want is to have to fork over a couple of $1000 bills for the 'extra' Hp that some other mods promise.
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But Dinan isn't going to be able to release their tune for the X6 unless someone lends them a car to validate it on!
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But Dinan isn't going to be able to release their tune for the X6 unless someone lends them a car to validate it on!
Not only that, but if you go with Dinan, any engine trouble you have to go back to Dinan for repairs. Make sure you are close to a Dinan shop. I think there are three in the U.S.
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Are you sure its necessary to go back to Dinan and that a Dinan dealer who is also a BMW dealer isn't sufficient? I read a post somewhere that the BMW dealer that installed the poster's Dinan software promised to take care of any future warranty allocations between BMW and Dinan.
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      03-25-2009, 08:42 PM   #15
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Not only that, but if you go with Dinan, any engine trouble you have to go back to Dinan for repairs. Make sure you are close to a Dinan shop. I think there are three in the U.S.
Actually from what Steve Dinan said to me " you can take it in to any Dinan dealership and have it taken care of". I checked and there are a lot of them across the country.

There are three Dinan service centers (Morgan Hill is development shop) in the bay area but you can plug in a zip code for just about any state on their web page and find authorized dealers. http://www.dinancars.com/bmw/dinan-service-centers
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But Dinan isn't going to be able to release their tune for the X6 unless someone lends them a car to validate it on!
Steve Dinan told me about a month ago that they already have a 50i and their tune should be out in a few months. Still testing to make sure there are no long term issues
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Did he say anything about a 35i?
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Did he say anything about a 35i?
Not sure about the 35i. I would guess he would have that out sooner because he already has one for 335 and 135 and it is same engine but I am not sure. I didn't ask him whether or not he had a test vehicle for the 35i because I own the 50i
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That is correct. Their latest Progman update on the 335i and all models can now detect whether or not a piggy back has even been installed and they are voiding a lot of warranties as a result of this. My service director said that BMW has already voided about 12 BMW owners warranties at my dealers because they had a tune of some nature and one guy had to fork out over $6k because his turbo was blown on 335i. These engines are so complex and with the computers as advanced as they are, I personally would not get a tune unless I knew I had backing by a group like Dinan. Better a little conservative and safe with increased power than trying to max your power increase to the limit and risk a lot of potential headaches and out of pocket expenses.
1 guy...
I heard about 1 guy that got pregnant and gave birth... Oh that's right it was a girl.. Hearsay is crap.. If all of the piggybacks were so detectable they would be out of business.. as far as I can see.. they are THRIVING. I personally removed every modification from my car having only 3 months left on my car. I drove it modded for over 2 years and never once ran into a single warranty related problem. I was smart, I took proper care of my car and never abused it. At its maximum dyno test it pushed over 400 WHP and WTQ.. It has also ran in the low 12's at the track. I am 1 guy who did not have a single issue. (Besides 3 HPFPs, but my first one went before I put a single modification on the car) Based solely on numbers my story is as valuable as the 1 guy who blew his turbos and had to pay.

and btw BMW doesn't VOID warranties. They Flag them.. when they are flagged the car has to be returned to its original state at the owners expense before the warranty can be reinstated. It is illegal to void the warranty. If you are reading this and your warranty has supposedly been voided send me a PM I will forward you to a lawyer who will help you get the compensation you deserve. It has also been a problem at BMW dealers that they tell their clients their warranty is "voided" when in fact they are flagged and they suck their clients dry by forcing them to pay for services that should otherwise be covered under warranty. All the while, knowing they can remove the flag when the car is returned to stock form. But I guess that would be bad business?
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1 guy...
I heard about 1 guy that got pregnant and gave birth... Oh that's right it was a girl.. Hearsay is crap.. If all of the piggybacks were so detectable they would be out of business.. as far as I can see.. they are THRIVING. I personally removed every modification from my car having only 3 months left on my car. I drove it modded for over 2 years and never once ran into a single warranty related problem. I was smart, I took proper care of my car and never abused it. At its maximum dyno test it pushed over 400 WHP and WTQ.. It has also ran in the low 12's at the track. I am 1 guy who did not have a single issue. (Besides 3 HPFPs, but my first one went before I put a single modification on the car) Based solely on numbers my story is as valuable as the 1 guy who blew his turbos and had to pay.

and btw BMW doesn't VOID warranties. They Flag them.. when they are flagged the car has to be returned to its original state at the owners expense before the warranty can be reinstated. It is illegal to void the warranty. If you are reading this and your warranty has supposedly been voided send me a PM I will forward you to a lawyer who will help you get the compensation you deserve. It has also been a problem at BMW dealers that they tell their clients their warranty is "voided" when in fact they are flagged and they suck their clients dry by forcing them to pay for services that should otherwise be covered under warranty. All the while, knowing they can remove the flag when the car is returned to stock form. But I guess that would be bad business?
So what you are saying is that you can mod a car (that is still under warranty), blow the engine to bits, remove the mod to bring the car back to stock and get the engine either fixed or replaced all under warranty even though the damage was caused by something that is NOT covered by the warranty?

Especially if they know that you modded the car???

I find that hard to believe!
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1 guy...
I heard about 1 guy that got pregnant and gave birth... Oh that's right it was a girl.. Hearsay is crap.. If all of the piggybacks were so detectable they would be out of business.. as far as I can see.. they are THRIVING. I personally removed every modification from my car having only 3 months left on my car. I drove it modded for over 2 years and never once ran into a single warranty related problem. I was smart, I took proper care of my car and never abused it. At its maximum dyno test it pushed over 400 WHP and WTQ.. It has also ran in the low 12's at the track. I am 1 guy who did not have a single issue. (Besides 3 HPFPs, but my first one went before I put a single modification on the car) Based solely on numbers my story is as valuable as the 1 guy who blew his turbos and had to pay.

and btw BMW doesn't VOID warranties. They Flag them.. when they are flagged the car has to be returned to its original state at the owners expense before the warranty can be reinstated. It is illegal to void the warranty. If you are reading this and your warranty has supposedly been voided send me a PM I will forward you to a lawyer who will help you get the compensation you deserve. It has also been a problem at BMW dealers that they tell their clients their warranty is "voided" when in fact they are flagged and they suck their clients dry by forcing them to pay for services that should otherwise be covered under warranty. All the while, knowing they can remove the flag when the car is returned to stock form. But I guess that would be bad business?

My car called home and wanted an oil change, I arranged to take in first thing in the morning ( they have a nice little coffee shop and they give you chips to pay for things) and wait while they did it. I got coffee and a roll , broke out my laptop and "went to work".
A couple of the service guys came an and "I" over heard them saying that BMW was able to detect when a car had been modified. From what i gathered someone had brought in a car that was having a reduced power issue and diagnostics showed that an "external box" (that's how they referred to it) had been attached to it at some point ( apparently it wasn't attached now).

So if you are going to do this at all you better go with someone that will give you some kind of warranty. in these economic times I suspect BMW may crack down just to save themselves some money. In the US for these kind of mods Magnuson-Moss will not protect you.
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just had my 2010 x6 tuned

I can't believe the results. Not only did the tune work great , They also gave me the option of removing the speed limiter. I can forward to anybody who's interested a pic of my speedo at 174 mph. I haven't dynoed the car, don't have to. It is way faster than my buddys. He's getting his done next.
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