X5M needs new turbos

[dpaul]

Originally Posted by Robkap21

I found this link which is from 2016:

https://batxcr1.bmwcenternet.com/lib...s_Coverage.pdf

It looks like it might only be adopted in New York for model year 2016 and newer vehicles. In my state of residence, it covers vehicles model year 2000 and newer. It's still worth checking into. I saved about $6,000.00 on a dealer turbo replacement under this warranty.

I'm confused - BMW models with N63 or S63 engines are not included on this SULEV list - it is hard to believe that the S63 could actually be a SULEV engine.

I could be completely wrong about this but my impression was that manufacturers have to meet fleet average emission standards (initially imposed by California but now adopted by many other states) and that the creation of SULEV engines like the N51 was more or less to offset emissions from high performance engines like the S63.

And yet you had an S63 turbo replaced under the SULEV warranty?

[kdbryce]

Originally Posted by dpaul

I'm confused - BMW models with N63 or S63 engines are not included on this SULEV list - it is hard to believe that the S63 could actually be a SULEV engine.

I could be completely wrong about this but my impression was that manufacturers have to meet fleet average emission standards (initially imposed by California but now adopted by many other states) and that the creation of SULEV engines like the N51 was more or less to offset emissions from high performance engines like the S63.

And yet you had an S63 turbo replaced under the SULEV warranty?

Yeah I thought it was going to be a stretch for it to be a SULEV, but I checked anyway. My dealer told me it wasn't. It might just be the way mine is optioned, but I would suspect none of them are SULEV except another poster on this thread said his was

[kdbryce]

Originally Posted by Autobacs

Just picked up my 2011 X5M with 65,800 miles that just had both turbos replaced by BMW San Diego under an aftermarket warranty of the previous owner. Total bill, including replacing the crossover line and filtered air ducts, was around $6,500. 'This was with the each turbo priced at around 2.2K. A quick check shows you can buy them for around 1.7K.

Thanks. I might go aftermarket at this point. If I have to replace them anyway, might as well get an upgrade out of it!

[9vapors]

Originally Posted by kdbryce

Thanks. I might go aftermarket at this point. If I have to replace them anyway, might as well get an upgrade out of it!

There are a set of pure turbos for sale in the classifieds right now!

[m5james]

Originally Posted by Sophisticated Redneck

On a n63 550i but essentially the same for your M. Half way through he shows you the coked up lines. Mine had the EXACT same thing. When you do yours, wrap them in a heat sheild

Holy crap...that's what happens when turbo vehicles are ridden hard and shut off right away vs letting the oil circulate through the engine for another 5 min or so to cool back down. There may be a fan that comes on for the water to cool the turbos themselves but that doesn't solve the oil coking problem. Makes me think I should go 90's tech like I did on my RX7TT and get a turbo timer, in the meantime I just don't boost wildly when I'm at least 5 min from home and minimum 5K oil changes.

[9vapors]

I'm with you, maybe time for a turbo timer... need to get on the catch can too...

[protecon]

Maybe people will stop putting overpriced turbo blankets on them as well.

[pearlpower]

I am sure a good turbo shop can massage the stock turbos, this is something on my list to do in a few months.

[TwinSnailz]

Don’t know why the M-S63 turbo cost $1k more than an n63 turbo. Sure its a few mm bigger but damn cost almost twice as much.

Mine is howling like a fire truck. Don’t know if it is the cold or turbo is going out. No shaft play whatsoever or any damage to the fins. Can’t justify spending over $3,500 for the pair.

[chris604]

Originally Posted by Robkap21

Since you live in NY and the vehicle is a 2013 with only 60,000, the turbos should be covered by the SULEV warranty. I would specifically ask the dealer about SULEV warranty coverage. My 2012 X5m just had one turbo replaced under this same warranty and I live in New England. Interestingly, the prior owner of my vehicle lived in New York and had the other turbo replaced and the New York City area dealer did not do the replacement through the SULEV warranty.

I hope this helps.

SULEV? What exactly does this mean? Which models are covered? I have a 2010 X5M. How many miles does it cover?

Thanks

[dpaul]

SULEV= super ultra-low emission vehicle

Neither N63 nor S63 are SULEV engines. Most common are the N51 and N26 in 3-series cars.

Turbos are covered as part of the emission system for (I believe) 15 yrs/120K miles on SULEV engines. I don't know how the previous poster got BMW to cover turbo replacement on his X5M

[heatmizr]

"Turbos are covered as part of the emission system for (I believe) 15 yrs/120K miles on SULEV engines."

And on any other vehicle, exhaust / emissions parts are warrantied for 10 yrs, are they not?
Not sure if turbos are considered part of the exhaust emissions components.

[dpaul]

Yes, but turbos are not considered part of the emission system on non-SULEV motors, as far as I know. Could be wrong. But don't think so.

Edit: SULEV emission warranty is 15yrs/150K miles, not 120K miles

[chris604]

Originally Posted by dpaul

SULEV= super ultra-low emission vehicle

Neither N63 nor S63 are SULEV engines. Most common is the N51 in 3-series cars.

Turbos are covered as part of the emission system for (I believe) 15 yrs/120K miles on SULEV engines. I don't know how the previous poster got BMW to cover turbo replacement on his X5M

Ok. Thanks. That's what I was wondering as well!

[Robkap21]

In my earlier post, I was using SULEV as shorthand for the BMW emissions warranty coverage which applied to my vehicle within my state of residence.

Contained within the BMW SULEV/PZEV warranty coverage is the explanation for coverage under the California Emissions Control System Limited Warranty which provides coverage for 7 years/70,000 miles unless the specific vehicle model has a special certification which extends coverage to 8 years/100,000 miles. A group of states have adopted what are known as the California Air Resources Board (CARB) warranty coverage rules which are basically the California emissions warranty. Different states have adopted these rules differently as they apply to different model years.

This is how the BMW emissions warranty describes the applicability of this coverage:

"Emission Coverage - 2011 Model Year and Newer BMW Vehicles
The statement in the Service and Warranty Booklet is:
The California Emission Control System Limited Warranty applies to all [applicable model year] U.S.-specification BMW [models] registered in [specific states - list]."

The vehicle does not need to have a SULEV/PZEV engine to qualify for this coverage. It's a function of model year and state of residence. Since I live in a state which adopted CARB rules for model year 2000 forward and since my X5m was newer than 2011 and had fewer than 70,000 miles, I qualified for a warranty replacement of a failed turbo under this emissions warranty coverage.

Having looked at this more carefully, I now understand that the original poster probably would not qualify for this emissons warranty coverage in his home state of New York because New York appears to have adopted this coverage for only model years starting in 2016.

[dpaul]

Ok, that makes sense. However, while the terms "SULEV" and "BMW emission warranty" may have some congruence, neither is a sensible "shorthand" for the other.

Federal standards mandating warranty replacement for emission system components have been in effect since at least the mid 1990's, way before SULEV or PZEV notions were conceived. Such standards have been expanded over time by both federal and state (most famously, California) agencies. CARB legislation has had a huge impact and as the you've pointed out, CARB standards have been adopted by many although not all states.

Although this discussion has been quite confusing to me, your comments raise a really important issue. Both service providers and consumers are frequently unaware that variety of components qualify for replacement under existing emission warranties. I believe you are correct that turbos are included among the components covered under BMW emission warranties applying to both SULEV and non-SULEV engines

[Too__Hu///Mble]

Originally Posted by TwinSnailz

A blown or failed turbo will cause no boost and will set off a engine light for underboost. A failed turbo shaft seal will cause smoke out to the exhaust.

Smoke in the engine bay is leaking oil or coolant from inlet/outlet of the turbo. Have a second look.

Do you have any links or remedies to fix this? Would faulty fuel injectors produce the same symptoms?

If both are true (can be my case) what's you remedy for repair?

[TwinSnailz]

Originally Posted by Too__Hu///Mble

Do you have any links or remedies to fix this? Would faulty fuel injectors produce the same symptoms?

If both are true (can be my case) what's you remedy for repair?

Which part are you having problems with?
Faulty injectors will cause misfire. Rare scenario is that it will dump too much fuel and you have rich fuel smoke, black like diesel smoke. But again, that is rare.

Most common are the valve seals, idle the car for at least 5 min and rev the engine. Smoke will puff out.

Turbo seals will most likely smoke all the time. Rebuilding is the only way or new