Mobil 1 No Longer Makes Motor Oil for Many BMW's

X-static · 03-07-2016, 08:16 PM

Has anyone considered that possibly BMW decided not to promote or pay Mobil 1 any incentives or royalties, or that BMW may have an interest in another (Shell) oil producer?
This could simply be a financial or marketing exercise. Maybe Mobil 1 has opted not to pay BMW for endorsement? The oil quality may not have changed at all, these things usually have some financial origin.

KayTees · 03-07-2016, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by socale39

If your cousin drives an E60 M5 or E92 M3, he should quickly consider changing.

His is a E70 X5M

socale39 · 03-07-2016, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by X-static

Has anyone considered that possibly BMW decided not to promote or pay Mobil 1 any incentives or royalties, or that BMW may have an interest in another (Shell) oil producer?
This could simply be a financial or marketing exercise. Maybe Mobil 1 has opted not to pay BMW for endorsement? The oil quality may not have changed at all, these things usually have some financial origin.

Being on the non-approved BMW list is likely because the Mobil 1 0w-40 is now GTL based product.

PAX5 · 03-09-2016, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by X-static

Has anyone considered that possibly BMW decided not to promote or pay Mobil 1 any incentives or royalties, or that BMW may have an interest in another (Shell) oil producer?
This could simply be a financial or marketing exercise. Maybe Mobil 1 has opted not to pay BMW for endorsement? The oil quality may not have changed at all, these things usually have some financial origin.

CORRECTION: my comments below pertain to CASTROL, not Mobil.

Bingo!

This all started when BMW could not blame Mobil for the N63 fiasco.

Now they're in bed with Shell with motor oil produced from natural gas. Time will tell if the N63 issue has been solved.

Did you notice that BMW did not give any extended warranty on the N63 CCP?

UglyBuzzard · 03-09-2016, 01:21 PM

Anyone use an oil saver - ex Liqui Moly - thoughts?

socale39 · 03-09-2016, 02:04 PM

PAX, Mobil 1's European formula is now GTL based which is Natural Gas to Liquid so the technology is the same. What's interesting is I haven't seen an article about BMW blaming Mobil 1 for the N63 issues but rather BMW "insiders" blame on customers not breaking in the engine as it should. Mind sharing where you got the information about Mobil 1 being blamed?

And to answer Xstatoc's comment, yes, the oil has changed (from PAO to GTL) so this is likely the reason for the loss in certification.

socale39 · 03-09-2016, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by UglyBuzzard

Anyone use an oil saver - ex Liqui Moly - thoughts?

Mobil 1 and LiquiMoly have been the two most popularly regarded oils among the oil forums so I'd say you are good with them. I used their oil in my previous M cars without issue.

UglyBuzzard · 03-09-2016, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by socale39

Mobil 1 and LiquiMoly have been the two most popularly regarded oils among the oil forums so I'd say you are good with them. I used their oil in my previous M cars without issue.

Thanks. Still under free maintenance so bound to what BMW uses. Will pick some up for in between.

However, I am really curious about throwing an oil saver on top. Do they work?

PAX5 · 03-09-2016, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by socale39

PAX, Mobil 1's European formula is now GTL based which is Natural Gas to Liquid so the technology is the same. What's interesting is I haven't seen an article about BMW blaming Mobil 1 for the N63 issues but rather BMW "insiders" blame on customers not breaking in the engine as it should. Mind sharing where you got the information about Mobil 1 being blamed?

And to answer Xstatoc's comment, yes, the oil has changed (from PAO to GTL) so this is likely the reason for the loss in certification.

I've corrected my post above: my comments pertain to CASTROL, not Mobil.

There are no articles about BMW blaming Castrol explicitly for the N63 issues. I arrived at this conclusion because BMW was blaming the oil, and Castrol had an exclusive supply agreement with BMW ... Then suddenly in Jan 2015, it was Shell (using GTL as their reason).

The light footedness break-in assertion started with the N62 engine ... but now is used towards the N63 also.

socale39 · 03-09-2016, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by UglyBuzzard

Thanks. Still under free maintenance so bound to what BMW uses. Will pick some up for in between.

However, I am really curious about throwing an oil saver on top. Do they work?

Can't comment from experience but I have seen people use it with good results. If I remember correctly, some of those cases helped cure oil consumption from valve guide seals.

UglyBuzzard · 03-09-2016, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by socale39

Can't comment from experience but I have seen people use it with good results. If I remember correctly, some of those cases helped cure oil consumption from valve guide seals.

Yes, that is what I heard so I will throw some in at the next oil change and see what happens. thanks

minnmarker · 03-14-2016, 03:52 PM

What's the difference between LL-01 and LL-04?
There are several oils on Amazon that claim to meet BMW Long Life-04
e.g. Castrol 03559 EDGE Black 5W-30,
Liqui Moly Top Tec 4200 Long Life 504.00 / 507.00 Engine Oil (5w-30)

fourpointeight · 03-15-2016, 01:39 PM

Took this from the e90 forum.

The difference between LL01 and LL04 is that LL04 is formulated for improved exhaust cleanliness. It is a must have for the new BMW clean dielels with particulate filters. There is also some additional additives in it to help keep engine internals even cleaner than LL01 does. Those are the big differences... BMW LL04 can be used in both petrol and diesel BMWs.

135ivert · 03-17-2016, 07:04 PM

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Here you go

race tech specifically designed for bmw M cars. Says right on the front of the jug too

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What about for Non-M cars? I have an N54 that needs an oil change right now, and an N55 that I'm sure I'll be changing myself at some point in time.

Thanks.

fourpointeight · 03-18-2016, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by 135ivert

What about for Non-M cars? I have an N54 that needs an oil change right now, and an N55 that I'm sure I'll be changing myself at some point in time.

Thanks.

I would suggest 5w-40, thats what i use in my n62tu and love it

socale39 · 03-19-2016, 07:06 PM

Just did an oil change on my 03 325i. When I picked up two 5 quart jugs they must have been old stock as both still had the BMW approval.

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socale39 Major 209 Rep 1,044 Posts Drives: 04 545i SMG Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: California iTrader: (0)	PAX, Mobil 1's European formula is now GTL based which is Natural Gas to Liquid so the technology is the same. What's interesting is I haven't seen an article about BMW blaming Mobil 1 for the N63 issues but rather BMW "insiders" blame on customers not breaking in the engine as it should. Mind sharing where you got the information about Mobil 1 being blamed? And to answer Xstatoc's comment, yes, the oil has changed (from PAO to GTL) so this is likely the reason for the loss in certification.
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fourpointeight Private 19 Rep 51 Posts Drives: Bmw X5 4.8i E70 Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Toronto, Canada iTrader: (0)	Took this from the e90 forum. The difference between LL01 and LL04 is that LL04 is formulated for improved exhaust cleanliness. It is a must have for the new BMW clean dielels with particulate filters. There is also some additional additives in it to help keep engine internals even cleaner than LL01 does. Those are the big differences... BMW LL04 can be used in both petrol and diesel BMWs.
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socale39 Major 209 Rep 1,044 Posts Drives: 04 545i SMG Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: California iTrader: (0)	Just did an oil change on my 03 325i. When I picked up two 5 quart jugs they must have been old stock as both still had the BMW approval.
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