X5 N63 engine recall (Service Bulletin B001314)

[jiggz]

Originally Posted by Dawgman

Just got my service recall done. Only a day in the shop. They did not inform me about increased oil consumption. Strangely enough, all of my coding is still working. I asked him to confirm that all software in the car was updated and my SA confirmed this. Is there any way the software is updated if my custom coding is still present?

Only driven it 10 miles, but the lag is gone, so that is nice. Not sure what else I will notice.

Hey Dawgman (UW fan I gather?) - the software updates to your X5 depended on what version you were running prior. If you had a fairly recent version, it's possibly the new software didn't override any of your coding, especially if you didn't have a lot of coding. I lost probably half my coding, with the other half retained.

Did you get your HPFP's replaced as well? They were just recently included in a follow-up campaign, so I scheduled a follow-up appt. and had those done. Still didn't notice any difference after those were replaced, or the 1st round of fixes.

[PAX5]

Originally Posted by jiggz

Right…well it has a different campaign # than the original, but there's little to no info available online that I have found. I'll find out more on Wednesday when I bring mine in.

... any update? What did you find out?

[Dawgman]

Yes, big Husky fan. My build date is 9/10, so I would think there would be some pretty good updates to do. I haven't found any coding that I have lost and I had a pretty extensive list.

I had no clue about the HPFP. I had the following replaced:

Updated fuel injectors
Vacuum Pump
Low pressure fuel sensor with line
PCV lines
Mass Air Flow Meters

Along with a bunch of clamps, lines, and gaskets. No care package was given like others have received.

So what is the scoop on this HPFP? Is there a bulletin out on it? Going to be really pissed if I have to take it again to get this done when they could have easily done it this time.

[PAX5]

=Dawgman; ...
So what is the scoop on this HPFP? Is there a bulletin out on it? Going to be really pissed if I have to take it again to get this done when they could have easily done it this time.

It's a follow up campaign ... shrouded in mystery ...

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=844576

[Dawgman]

Wonderful. Thanks for the info.

[MRV99]

Originally Posted by rennis

And what is the purpose of the lower viscosity rings? lower viscosity oil for the turbos? (thick oil is not good for turbos at start up, right?)

but the lower viscosity in the cylinders - how does that work? Is it blow-by?

The low viscosity rings reduce friction which increases power and MPG but you do get some blow-by when cold. The turbos eat a bit of oil until they are up to temp and fully sealed up.

[Cattivo]

I wasn't aware of the hpfp recall, feels like the good old N54 days all over again

[jiggz]

Originally Posted by PAX5

... any update? What did you find out?

Not much…my SA sort of just shrugged off the latest campaign as if it was no big deal. Still, they replaced the HPFP's and sent me on my way.

Originally Posted by Dawgman

Yes, big Husky fan. My build date is 9/10, so I would think there would be some pretty good updates to do. I haven't found any coding that I have lost and I had a pretty extensive list.

I had no clue about the HPFP. I had the following replaced:

Updated fuel injectors
Vacuum Pump
Low pressure fuel sensor with line
PCV lines
Mass Air Flow Meters

Along with a bunch of clamps, lines, and gaskets. No care package was given like others have received.

So what is the scoop on this HPFP? Is there a bulletin out on it? Going to be really pissed if I have to take it again to get this done when they could have easily done it this time.

Yes, there was a secondary campaign…you might phone you're SA and ask about it. It's not as widespread as the 1st campaign - less vehicles are eligible. They'll know if yours is by the VIN.

Originally Posted by Cattivo

I wasn't aware of the hpfp recall, feels like the good old N54 days all over again

I know….there's almost nothing out there on it I heard about it from a fellow Seattle X5'er, emailed my SA, and was advised to bring it it. Had them replaced last week.

[Cattivo]

Originally Posted by jiggz

I know….there's almost nothing out there on it I heard about it from a fellow Seattle X5'er, emailed my SA, and was advised to bring it it. Had them replaced last week.

Thanks for the heads up, i'll call and make an appointment today. I had my hpfp replaced 3 times on my old 2009 335 back in the day

[jiggz]

Originally Posted by Cattivo

Thanks for the heads up, i'll call and make an appointment today. I had my hpfp replaced 3 times on my old 2009 335 back in the day

Ha, yah those early 335's had major HPFP issues.

Good luck

[Cattivo]

Originally Posted by jiggz

Ha, yah those early 335's had major HPFP issues.

Good luck

My old 335 was in limp mode for almost 2 years thanks to the hpfp lol

I just called my SA to schedule an appointment for the follow up on the N63 campaign and was told they have no knowledge or notes on this??? He was giving me the run around about build dates and other non sense. Told me not to believe what I read on forums lol...Do you have any additional info I can explain to my SA?

[bmwx5er]

Originally Posted by Cattivo

My old 335 was in limp mode for almost 2 years thanks to the hpfp lol

I just called my SA to schedule an appointment for the follow up on the N63 campaign and was told they have no knowledge or notes on this??? He was giving me the run around about build dates and other non sense. Told me not to believe what I read on forums lol...Do you have any additional info I can explain to my SA?

Enquire with your SA about Campaign # 0013300200. Also, the link in PAX5's post above contains the specific SIB # as well. He has also posted the work order -you should show that to your SA

[PAX5]

Originally Posted by bmwx5er

Enquire with your SA about Campaign # 0013300200. Also, the link in PAX5's post above contains the specific SIB # as well. He has also posted the work order -you should show that to your SA

[Cattivo]

Originally Posted by bmwx5er

Enquire with your SA about Campaign # 0013300200. Also, the link in PAX5's post above contains the specific SIB # as well. He has also posted the work order -you should show that to your SA

Thanks brother I must of missed that SIB#

[Cattivo]

Originally Posted by PAX5

I tried scheduling it with White Plains BMW, I'm sure your aware of how those guys love to repair cars for free lol

[jiggz]

Originally Posted by Cattivo

My old 335 was in limp mode for almost 2 years thanks to the hpfp lol

I just called my SA to schedule an appointment for the follow up on the N63 campaign and was told they have no knowledge or notes on this??? He was giving me the run around about build dates and other non sense. Told me not to believe what I read on forums lol...Do you have any additional info I can explain to my SA?

Well…it seems the forums know more than your SA is this case, right!

Like PAX5 said, it's 'shrouded in mystery' lol…but several of us have had them replaced. I know BMW Seattle is aware of it - they've done several. My SA didn't really know much about it or say much, but she scheduled me and they replaced them about 2 months after the initial N63 work.

Here's a copy of my invoice - you can clearly see the description, date (5/27), and N/C as it's covered by the campaign.

[shark715]

Originally Posted by jiggz

Well…it seems the forums know more than your SA is this case, right!

Like PAX5 said, it's 'shrouded in mystery' lol…but several of us have had them replaced. I know BMW Seattle is aware of it - they've done several. My SA didn't really know much about it or say much, but she scheduled me and they replaced them about 2 months after the initial N63 work.

Here's a copy of my invoice - you can clearly see the description, date (5/27), and N/C as it's covered by the campaign.

Perhaps the recall is limited to certain build dates rather than all the N63 engines (as I believe the case was with the original N63 CCA campaign), especially given that I had the CCA work done just last week and there was no mention of this. My build date is November 2010. For forum members that have had the pumps replaced under this recall, what is your build date?

[PAX5]

My two lambda sensors were replaced as part of this campaign ... I noticed that some of you didn't get them replaced according to the work order. I wonder why?

Build date on my car is 04/2011 BTW.

But now I have this problem ... black soot dripping from exhaust (aka "unburned fuel"). Never had it before :

[Cattivo]

Originally Posted by jiggz

Well…it seems the forums know more than your SA is this case, right!

Like PAX5 said, it's 'shrouded in mystery' lol…but several of us have had them replaced. I know BMW Seattle is aware of it - they've done several. My SA didn't really know much about it or say much, but she scheduled me and they replaced them about 2 months after the initial N63 work.

Here's a copy of my invoice - you can clearly see the description, date (5/27), and N/C as it's covered by the campaign.

Thanks bro your the man, I'm going to print this out and hand it to my SA in person Monday...EDIT: MY build date was 4/10

[jiggz]

Originally Posted by shark715

Perhaps the recall is limited to certain build dates rather than all the N63 engines (as I believe the case was with the original N63 CCA campaign), especially given that I had the CCA work done just last week and there was no mention of this. My build date is November 2010. For forum members that have had the pumps replaced under this recall, what is your build date?

Correct, the HPFP issue is more limited - not as many vehicles require/are eligible for this repair. At least this is what my SA said. I don't have any info on what build dates are eligible.

My build date is 6/2011.

Originally Posted by PAX5

But now I have this problem ... never had it before :

The black soot on the bumper? If yes I think there was a thread on this somewhere on here…mine's always had that.

[och]

They completed my service on May 21st at Life Quality BMW in Brooklyn. So far the car is running great. This is a list of work that was done:

• Installed (1) Rear wiper blade 61-62-7-161-029
• Installed (1) Set front wiper blades 61-61-0-038-893
• Installed (1) Left tension strut 31-12-6-773-949
• Installed (1) Combination nut 31-12-6-780-480
• Installed (1) Center bulk head partition 51 71 7 169 421
• Installed (9) B1BIMIRR Twin Power OIL 83-21-2-365-946
• Installed (1) B1RRSA-Set oil filter 11-42-7-583-220
• Performed timing chain test – OK
• Installed (1) B1-EP 92AH Battery 61 21 2 353 812
• Installed (1) B1RRSA-Solenoid Valve R&R Bank 2 Intake VANOS Solenoid 11-36-8-605-123
• Installed (2) B1 Hot film mass air sensor 13-62-8-645-877
• Installed (2) B1 Gasket 13-71-8-646-450
• Installed (2) B1SA-Clamp 17-51-7-585-577
• Installed (1) B1-Connecting Line 11-15-8-645-237
• Installed (1) B1-Vent pipe 11-15-8-645-238
• Installed (1) B1-Connecting Line 11-15-8-645-239
• Installed (1) B1-Vent pipe 11-15-8-645-240
• Installed (1) B1-Vacuum pump 11-66-8-649-747
• Installed (1) B1-Injector 13-53-8-648-937
• Installed (8) B1-Decoupling element 13-53-8-651-060
• Installed (1) B1-Fuel feed line 13-53-8-649-966
• Installed (8) B1-Injector 13-53-8-648-937

I notice they have listed they replaced 1 injector and then 8 injectors. Does this engine have an additional injector? I know some engines have an additional injector that activates on cold starts.

Also I see they changed oil part to 83-21-2-365-946 (Twin Power oil) from 07-51-0-017-866 BMW High performane oil that they used in the past.

[PAX5]

Originally Posted by och

...
I notice they have listed they replaced 1 injector and then 8 injectors. Does this engine have an additional injector? I know some engines have an additional injector that activates on cold starts.

Also I see they changed oil part to 83-21-2-365-946 (Twin Power oil) from 07-51-0-017-866 BMW High performane oil that they used in the past.

I don't know this for certain, but I am speculating that:
1. they initially used the wrong injector (note different p/n). Once an injector has been installed and torqued down, it cannot be reused ... LOL!
2. then installed correct p/n's with all index no.'s matching

And,

P/N 07-51-0-017-866 was Castrol brand

P/N 83-21-2-365-946 (Twin Power oil) is Shell brand.

They need(ed) another supplier to blame for the faulty engine design .... I don't even know if we can buy this oil on the retail market?! We might be forced to buy this oil through the stealer network every 10K miles!

From Turner Motorsport
BMW 5W-30 Twinpower Turbo Longlife Synthetic Oil
Part #: 83212365946 (83-21-2-365-946)

The BMW 5W30 motor oil is the factory engine oil approved for almost all BMW engines, except for BMW Diesel and some M3/M5/M6 engines. It's the only oil approved in the US for BMW's turbo N20 N54 N55 engines, including the S55 engine in the 2015+ F80 M3/F82 M4. It can also be used in most MINI engines.

This oil was especially formulated for the USA market to meet compatibility requirements with the high sulfur content in our fuels. It meets BMW LL01 and API SL specs for gasoline engines from 1997 up through today as well as ACEA A3/B3 requirements. This is the current oil used in BMW dealerships.

In January 2015 BMW changed official oil suppliers from Castrol to Shell. The new oils are designed to meet requirements of both the newer engines as well as older BMW's. This oil can be used in cars with either normally aspirated and or turbocharged engines. This oil can also be used E39 M5 and Z8 with the S62 engine.