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Doesn't sound like OP dislikes BMW, OP is just saying that BMWs are not true sports cars.
I happen to agree with this sentiment. They are sporty cars and they are extremely good cars, but they're not sports cars. I love my BMWs as daily drivers, but most Porsches are better drivers cars. I wouldn't want to drive a Cayman GT4 to work every day, but it would be my top choice on a weekend drive through the canyons or a track day. The M2 is the only car in the current BMW lineup that is entertaining enough for me to be a fun weekend car. Even that is not a true sports car though...its a commuter car that has been beefed up (not meaning that to sound bad, BMW did an excellent job at modifying the base car to achieve outstanding performance and handling characteristics) but the chasis was not designed as a thoroughbred sports car in the way that a BRZ/MX-5/Cayman/911 were. Those cars were designed with performance in mind from the start, rather than taking a street car and making it into a performance car. Again, I don't think that's a bad thing, it depends what you're looking for. I don't drive enough on the weekend to have a GT4 or something like that, so having something that's reasonably fun and livable as a daily fits me best and that's what BMW is good at. |
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I was questioning his statement in his original post that BMW doesn't make serious sports cars as he/she has ignored the ones I listed. He then amended his statement in his response to my question with comparing BMW to Porsche and Mclaren. The latter is a Super Car and BMW has never been better than Porsche, and they never will. But! That doesn't mean they don't make serious sports cars. Therefore it sounds like he prefers Porsche so why is he here?
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No one here cares. This Z4 is a completely different proposition in both price and concept than a GT4 and why would anyone bring that car up in this thread in comparison other than to humble-brag? Enjoy your GT4 and move along. This car has its own, and different appeal. It is a more comfortable, useable, convertible for a nice 6-9/10ths mountain drive with a hot companion in the next seat on a nice autumn day. BMW is not and will not be Porsche. I mean, M does a great job building more practical and in a way rawer cars than a lot of Porsches with 99% of the performance for the price. M is it's own thing. And this Z4 here isn't even a full on M. So I think it's built to the niche it has to be built. My GT4 doesn't "blow away" my Ms. It's a different, great car. As are the Ms.
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BMW was smarter than to try to one-up Porsche with the Z4. Instead, they found the sweet spot between the Miata and the Boxster, in terms of price, performance, features, and daily driver usability. The Z4 will prove to be a heck of a value, I'll bet.
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These Porsche comparisons always make me laugh.
And it's always comparing a bmw that costs two-Thirds of a Porsche (similarly equipped). And then they go on to compare a fully loaded bmw price with a stripper Porsche mostly having no idea a base bmw usually has far more standard equipment than the equivalent Porsche turbo. And it always ends with for 5-10 grand more I can have the Porsche when the reality is more like 20-30k more. Lol for the 4th time today. Once in the x5 forum. Once in the x2/3/4 forum once in the 8er forum and once here.
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I'll chime in and remind everyone that the Z4 M was considered as good or better than the Boxster S and comparable to a corvette base.
However, this is not an M car. You mad well consider M to be a different brand at this point. BMW standard competes with VW Peugeot Audi and Lexus not Porsche. Yeah in the US we only see the nice BMWs but this car runs from Miata competitor to boxtser competitor. Sadly the BMW of the 90s and earlier and all the people that ran it have moved on. BMW is now a massive brand that competes with VAG and GM and all their brands. Sadly this means BMW will have all around cars instead of focused ones. Accept it or find a new brand. Porsche, Lotus, Corvette, Mazda? These brands found a way to stay sports car companies. Also, to use a blizzard phrase, you think you want a race car, but you don't. I bet 90% of M car lenders today would be happier with an M235i trim level because it's a nice balance of performance and comfort. Only a 50 guys show up to BMW track days and only M3, M2 and M235i are present from BMWs current line up, and for good reason. These cars still got it. I'd bet Z4 40i, like the 235i is fun enough at track day, but no M. |
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Agreed BMWs are not sports cars.
The grill looks exceptional. Great job. Eventually designs need to evolve. Keeping the same grill can get stale. I imagine at some point fairly soon BMW will evolve the roundel. It's been through a few updates.
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