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      05-09-2014, 12:02 AM   #1
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X5D 20" Wheel/Tire Option - Usable in snow?

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I'm planning to trade in my 335i x-drive for an X5D tomorrow. It has basically every single option on it - including the 20" wheels.

I live in Denver and I'm wondering if I'm going to NEED snow tires with these monster wheels. If so, what do you all do?

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I think it depends on which tires you have rather than the size. Do you have all season or summers? I have summer tires and those are terrible in snow so I bought dedicated winter wheels to swap out in the fall.
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Thanks for the response. It comes with whatever the stock tires are on the 20" package. What tires are those?

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Those will probably be summers. The tread pattern and rubber of summers are not meant for snow / cold weather.
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You need dedicated winter tires for Denver. Get another set of rims, cheapest would 18" wheels and tires
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Get a set of DWSs and sell your summers to some guy in FL.

Dedicated winter tires aren't needed here.
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I also live in Denver...and just bought a 2013 X5 with sports package a couple months back. My truck came with the 20" wheels and summer tires. I've driven in light snow a few time and didn't have a problem. You'll be fine during this last little storm and into next winter...but you (and I) will probably want to get a dedicated winter set for the big snow.
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I have the 20" here in Denver as well and plan to get snows. What are some good options for 18" wheels and tires to put on these? Lots of time to buy them but it doesn't hurt to start looking. I'd want something that looks decent since we probably need to run snows from November through March at least here.
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20" summer tires in snow is down rights scary. I got caught in a early snow storm when at work. Had no choice but to drive it. There was on street with a very slight decline and the car at 25mph trying to stop was almost worthless.
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Reviving this thread, what did you guys decide to do regarding tires for the winter? I can't decide if I should get:

-DWS all seasons (quite affordable)
-20" snow tires of some kind
-New set of smaller wheels and snow tires

Kind of leaning towards just doing the 20" snows, not sure what brand
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I got a set of used replica 214s with virtually new Pirelli Scorpions and a newer spare for $1,000. I got them re-balanced and TPMS sensors checked for another $100. For winter, it's worth it to have a separate set. Winter sucks enough without the extra drama of traction concerns.
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I got a set of used replica 214s with virtually new Pirelli Scorpions and a newer spare for $1,000. I got them re-balanced and TPMS sensors checked for another $100. For winter, it's worth it to have a separate set. Winter sucks enough without the extra drama of traction concerns.
hell of a deal, where'd you get those from ?
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hell of a deal, where'd you get those from ?
Craig's List, off a guy in Buffalo Grove. The staggered rears have 275's like the front, so they're fit a little tight and have some curb rash, which I tried to repair somewhat.
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If you have 20's I recommend you do not go to the 18's. I made this mistake and they were way to soft for my likings. OEM 19" take offs are abundant.
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If you have 20's I recommend you do not go to the 18's. I made this mistake and they were way to soft for my likings. OEM 19" take offs are abundant.
If you have 20" wheels, and are buying 18" wheels for "snow tires," who cares? You're doing this for snow traction, not to run ice rally's.
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If you have 20" wheels, and are buying 18" wheels for "snow tires," who cares? You're doing this for snow traction, not to run ice rally's.
You are correct that "you are buying 18's for snow and traction" but in this case there will be NO traction difference. If you look at the rubber specs on a 18" vs 19" one will find that they are in fact the same width (255/55/18 vs 255/50/19) so there is zero advantage because they have the same width. Yes you can argue that the 1" additional sidewall profile will be an added benefit for potholes and rim protection but living in Chicago, the pot hole capital of the world, I have not experienced this to be true.

Also, the OP is living in Denver and I have been traveling to Denver for over 20 years now and I am very familiar with the OP's driving conditions in winter. The OP will be hard pressed to be driving on snow/wet roads more than 50% of the time while he/she has their winters on. The other 50% of the time will be spend on dry yet cold roads which traveling at highway speeds and above is safe. The Op now gets the benefits of the winter tire yet similar performance characteristic in terms of tire sidewall support of the 19" tire.

The 18" tire to me was much softer and very noticeable in normal driving conditions and I did not like how it handled, very floaty. I originally purchased 18's and had them for about 1 month before I sold them and bought 19's to replace them. I am just trying to provide the OP with additional information and opinions so that they can make an informed decision based on their situation.
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So what's the advantage to buying the 19" takeoffs to put snows on, rather than just getting the 20" snows and using my current wheels? What's the best way to procure a set of 19" wheels for that matter?

For the price, the DWS all seasons are sounding pretty good to me, less than $1000. Then I'd probably put my summer tires back on in the spring and use them up, then just go DWS year round. Decisions, decisions.
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There are a few things that factor into using 1 set of rims for your winters. I will list a couple.

The 255 square setup vs 275/315 will perform better in snow. The narrower tire is better in the snow conditions. Plus having a square setup, I can rotate my winter tires. I don't care what BMW says, I get longer life out of my winters by rotating. I have found that even with Xdrive, the rears do wear at a faster rate.

Cost of mount/dismount twice a year. This will usually cost around $100 per time. This may vary based on shop but lets just use this as a starting point, Your close to $200 a year just on mounting and balancing. Some tire shops will force you to pay for a rebuild kit for your sensors every so many years when they dismount and mount new tires. I have seen some shops require this and will not do the work if it is not done. This may be an added cost but I did not include it.

I have been very successful purchasing OEM takeoffs on BMW forums, ebay and craigslist. The average cost is around 150-200(per wheel) for very clean and straight rims. I purchased rims this way for my 545/550, E53 and E70 x5's and for my M3. It just takes some time and persistence. When you start to look at the long term cost, I have found it was always cheaper to purchase a second Winter set than to mount/dismount over time. Here is an example.

Purchased 545/550 18" 128's for $500 for the set that came off a car in Florida which the tire shop said had only 100 miles on them. The owner drove his 545 after he bought it new to his shop, got new rims and left his old set for a discount off the new rim/tire purchase. It had OEM wheel weights on it and were looks like they never saw brake dust. I bought sensors for the winters when I bough my 550 (545 had FTM not TPS) cost about 250.00 I did not want to have the sensor light on for the winter so this is optional. I had 2 sets of tires on these rims at the cost of $2000.00 for the 8 years. I was $2750.00 all in for the rims, sensors and 2 sets of rubber. I subtract the cost of 1 winter set because I used them up completely and that is cost of tires over longterm anyway. I am left with a 1750 cost. When I sold my 550, I sold my winter set for about $1000.00. The tires had 5/32 out of 11/32. To my my cost of owning the winter set up was $750 after the sale. If I then take 8 years worth of mount/dismount at even $150 a year I saved $450.00 over the life of the winter setup.

The E53 winters cost me $1300 and sold them for $750.00.

My E70 winters cost so far is rims $600, Pre LCI(my07 sensors) $100 after I sold the Pre LCI sensors due to the my12 having different sensors. LCI sensors $250. and now 2 sets of rubber at 1800.00. I am about 2800.00 for my winters so far and will not sell these until I get rid of the E70. From what I have read, the F15 can use these rims so I may not have to even sell them if I purchase an F15.

Tires are not really meant to be mounted/dismounted over and over again. People have differing opinions on this topic so this is a judgement you have to make. Not to mention every time you mount, dismount a tire, you run the risk of damaging the rim.

Wear and tear on "nice summer rims". I know in the winter I do not get my cars washed at the same rate as in the summer. The longer grime sits on the wheels the greater chance you are going to cause cosmetic damage. Road salts and the brine solutions can also cause the finishes on the rims to deteriorate. May be a little thing but for some people it becomes an issue.

The last item for me is the convenience. I don't have to schedule the swap with a tire place, I don't have to load the tires up in the car and take them to the shop. I don't have to wait around for them to dismount/mount. Yes I have the room to store my 2 sets of winters for my cars so that is not a factor and I don't have to pay for storage cost. When it gets down to changing the setups, I simply wash up the ones on the car, swap them out (I have jack, impact and torque wrench), lean up each rotor with a wire brush, dab on my anti-seize for easy rim removal and go for a test drive This also gives me the opportunity to inspect each break for wear. This may be a plus or minus depending on your particular situation.
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I have 275s all around on replica 214s. Should I expect any performance/safety issues with the stretched profile on the staggered rears (which would ideally have 315)?
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I have 275s all around on replica 214s. Should I expect any performance/safety issues with the stretched profile on the staggered rears (which would ideally have 315)?
Not on 214s but link shows 275s on 11" just to get an idea, I think should be fine - just avoid extreme cornering tire could slip out of the wheel (worst case)

http://my350z.com/forum/wheels-and-t...ide-wheel.html
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Not on 214s but link shows 275s on 11" just to get an idea, I think should be fine - just avoid extreme cornering tire could slip out of the wheel (worst case)

http://my350z.com/forum/wheels-and-t...ide-wheel.html
As always, thanks for the input. That'd be some extreme cornering to take a tire off! The other thing is, with them stretched on the rear, but not front, I would think they're less prone to roll stress like in the front. Mine don't look like rubber bands like on the Z, but the rim edges are definitely exposed.

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I am running the Pirelli ice and snow tires in original OEM sizes. I bought a set of 299 style OEM rims from a 2010 X5M. This will be my third winter with the tires and they have been great. The M does better than my wife's Trailblazer SS with the snow. I've had no traction issues or other problems from the wide tires.
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