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06-22-2017, 07:06 PM | #24 |
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Im usually not a fan of american cars (only pickup trucks), but the GT350 and ZL1 LE are very impressive vehicles.
I just hate the style of the camaro. I wish they would redesign it and make it look less bulky, and fix the shitty interior visibility. I would definitely consider one at that point. The GT350 would be a consideration if it wasnt selling at a crazy markup.
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I already wanted a ZL1. This does not help the urge
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06-22-2017, 08:54 PM | #27 | |
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The GT350 is still selling over msrp? Figured hype would have died down by now. Great car as well, but I've read build quality is a bit so-so? (Body panels don't line up, etc). I'd take the ZL1 over the GT350 if I had to choose. |
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06-22-2017, 10:46 PM | #30 |
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These cars are no joke, no excuses, period. I've been on the track in the NA 1LE with the regular Goodyear tires and that car was seriously impressive. These new Camaros are warrantied for track use too, a big added plus.
My biggest issue with Camaros and Vettes is that once the new gens come out, the prior gens become undesirable (excluding pre-1976 classic versions), unless you just want a robust track car. The styles may look great today but historically, they just have not stood the test of time compared to cars like Ms and 911s where every generation is still desirable (even some 996s, haha). |
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I agree, there are certainly several exceptions. I still think the C6 ZR1 looks damn good; and C5 Zs are great buys and track monsters. It was more of a generality. Say if you span 1985-2013, there are many forgettable iterations in there, more so with Camaros. Heck, my dream car in high school was a C4 ZR1 but I couldn't pull myself together to buy one today.
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Yeah the GT350 has its flaws, but still a fantastic car. Unfortunately, the hype hasnt died. same as the M2.
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06-23-2017, 09:25 AM | #35 |
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Ah didn't notice that. Thanks for pointing out
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The 5th and 6th gen camaros are no joke- they are very fast if driven even decently. They run huge tires, so replacement costs is a little painful, the outward visibility is awful, and the seats/pedals/steering wheel are skewed which is a problem for some. Still, can't argue with the stellar on-track performance they're cranking out even in the much cheaper 1LE versions you can get in the mid $20s now.
If I could live with the interior and visibility, I'd have one. |
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And The visibility issue has nothing to do with the side mirrors. Its the actual curvature and size of the windows, especially the front. I feel like im looking over a mountain when i look out the front windshield of a camaro.
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Worked at a GM dealer for a while, and although I haven't driven the ZL1, I have driven the new SS, and everything before it- Z/28, 5th ZL1, etc.
If you think anything shy of a heavily optioned 5 Series has a better interior than these new Camaros, you're kidding yourself. That's flat out refusing to look beyond the badge. And GM's new chassis make nearly all modern BMW's feel like Camrys in comparison. |
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