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      09-18-2015, 11:20 AM   #397
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Ouch...! That GWC warranty was a waste.

Often times these warranties are pro-rated: i.o.w. you should be able to get your money back for the time-portion you haven't used. Did you try that?

Then shop around for a 3rd party warranty that does work, like Route 66 ...
Yea I tried but unfortunately they only had a 3 month return policy...they also moved their dealership almost 3 hours away from me and suddenly forgot how to speak english! lol you can't make this shit up
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They completed my service on May 21st at Life Quality BMW in Brooklyn. So far the car is running great. This is a list of work that was done:

• Installed (1) Rear wiper blade 61-62-7-161-029
• Installed (1) Set front wiper blades 61-61-0-038-893
• Installed (1) Left tension strut 31-12-6-773-949
• Installed (1) Combination nut 31-12-6-780-480
• Installed (1) Center bulk head partition 51 71 7 169 421
• Installed (9) B1BIMIRR Twin Power OIL 83-21-2-365-946
• Installed (1) B1RRSA-Set oil filter 11-42-7-583-220
• Performed timing chain test – OK
• Installed (1) B1-EP 92AH Battery 61 21 2 353 812
• Installed (1) B1RRSA-Solenoid Valve R&R Bank 2 Intake VANOS Solenoid 11-36-8-605-123
• Installed (2) B1 Hot film mass air sensor 13-62-8-645-877
• Installed (2) B1 Gasket 13-71-8-646-450
• Installed (2) B1SA-Clamp 17-51-7-585-577
• Installed (1) B1-Connecting Line 11-15-8-645-237
• Installed (1) B1-Vent pipe 11-15-8-645-238
• Installed (1) B1-Connecting Line 11-15-8-645-239
• Installed (1) B1-Vent pipe 11-15-8-645-240
• Installed (1) B1-Vacuum pump 11-66-8-649-747
• Installed (1) B1-Injector 13-53-8-648-937
• Installed (8) B1-Decoupling element 13-53-8-651-060
• Installed (1) B1-Fuel feed line 13-53-8-649-966
• Installed (8) B1-Injector 13-53-8-648-937

I notice they have listed they replaced 1 injector and then 8 injectors. Does this engine have an additional injector? I know some engines have an additional injector that activates on cold starts.

Also I see they changed oil part to 83-21-2-365-946 (Twin Power oil) from 07-51-0-017-866 BMW High performane oil that they used in the past.
Wanted to post a little update - its been a while since this service was performed on my truck, and even though its been running well, I notice increased fuel consumption - it went from high 12s to 10.9mpg right now. Anyone else observing anything similar?
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Wanted to post a little update - its been a while since this service was performed on my truck, and even though its been running well, I notice increased fuel consumption - it went from high 12s to 10.9mpg right now. Anyone else observing anything similar?
Ouch,
I'm doing 15s in city and 16.8 highway. Normally driving up to 3k rpm, some rare time to 4k rpm.
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I only started checking my city mileage the last two fill ups but the onboard trip info seems correct at... 11.6 mpg !
& I am not the most aggressive driver, though I know that the turbos are too much temptation to never want to feel the thrust, even just at moderate levels.

Although understandable this was slightly disappointing as I was able to beat the highway rating easily in my first weekend of ownership, albeit by only 1 mpg...
I know I have been easier on the throttle since I saw the above so we'll see if it comes up any. Honestly it is what it is, I am not going to hypermile in this thing to get 2 mpg better....
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I only started checking my city mileage the last two fill ups but the onboard trip info seems correct at... 11.6 mpg !
& I am not the most aggressive driver, though I know that the turbos are too much temptation to never want to feel the thrust, even just at moderate levels.

Although understandable this was slightly disappointing as I was able to beat the highway rating easily in my first weekend of ownership, albeit by only 1 mpg...
I know I have been easier on the throttle since I saw the above so we'll see if it comes up any. Honestly it is what it is, I am not going to hypermile in this thing to get 2 mpg better....
wow, that sounds pretty low. I get about 15 mpg with city driving, and 19-20 in highways with my 2012 x5 50i. Mind you, the roads in the seattle area are pretty hilly. I always use Costco premium gas.
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They completed my service on May 21st at Life Quality BMW in Brooklyn. So far the car is running great. This is a list of work that was done:

• Installed (1) Rear wiper blade 61-62-7-161-029
• Installed (1) Set front wiper blades 61-61-0-038-893
• Installed (1) Left tension strut 31-12-6-773-949
• Installed (1) Combination nut 31-12-6-780-480
• Installed (1) Center bulk head partition 51 71 7 169 421
• Installed (9) B1BIMIRR Twin Power OIL 83-21-2-365-946
• Installed (1) B1RRSA-Set oil filter 11-42-7-583-220
• Performed timing chain test – OK
• Installed (1) B1-EP 92AH Battery 61 21 2 353 812
• Installed (1) B1RRSA-Solenoid Valve R&R Bank 2 Intake VANOS Solenoid 11-36-8-605-123
• Installed (2) B1 Hot film mass air sensor 13-62-8-645-877
• Installed (2) B1 Gasket 13-71-8-646-450
• Installed (2) B1SA-Clamp 17-51-7-585-577
• Installed (1) B1-Connecting Line 11-15-8-645-237
• Installed (1) B1-Vent pipe 11-15-8-645-238
• Installed (1) B1-Connecting Line 11-15-8-645-239
• Installed (1) B1-Vent pipe 11-15-8-645-240
• Installed (1) B1-Vacuum pump 11-66-8-649-747
• Installed (1) B1-Injector 13-53-8-648-937
• Installed (8) B1-Decoupling element 13-53-8-651-060
• Installed (1) B1-Fuel feed line 13-53-8-649-966
• Installed (8) B1-Injector 13-53-8-648-937

I notice they have listed they replaced 1 injector and then 8 injectors. Does this engine have an additional injector? I know some engines have an additional injector that activates on cold starts.

Also I see they changed oil part to 83-21-2-365-946 (Twin Power oil) from 07-51-0-017-866 BMW High performane oil that they used in the past.
Wanted to post a little update - its been a while since this service was performed on my truck, and even though its been running well, I notice increased fuel consumption - it went from high 12s to 10.9mpg right now. Anyone else observing anything similar?
Och,
I live in Dyker Heights, Brooklyn. I experienced the exact same thing. I went from 12.8 mpg to 10.3 MPG. BMW claims this is normal. I am disappointed.
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      10-02-2015, 05:58 PM   #403
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Anyone have any info on using this 105ah recall battery in a 2009 x5 (n62)? its $100 cheaper than the 90ah stock battery I have that needs replaced. Any info appreciated
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Anyone have any info on using this 105ah recall battery in a 2009 x5 (n62)? its $100 cheaper than the 90ah stock battery I have that needs replaced. Any info appreciated
I changed mine 2 days ago . from 90 to 105 + software upgrade in order to use the 105. $500 total. So far so good.
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Anyone have any info on using this 105ah recall battery in a 2009 x5 (n62)? its $100 cheaper than the 90ah stock battery I have that needs replaced. Any info appreciated
You can not go to a higher Ah battery than what is rated for your car. You can't program the car to have higher output from the alternator.

Only X5 e70 LCI, manufactured from Oct 2011 on, can accept the 105Ah battery. After battery registration, you can program the car to accept the 105Ah battery.
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You can not go to a higher Ah battery than what is rated for your car. You can't program the car to have higher output from the alternator.

Only X5 e70 LCI, manufactured from Oct 2011 on, can accept the 105Ah battery. After battery registration, you can program the car to accept the 105Ah battery.
Thats what I keep reading but the tech says it will. I guess I'll follow up mon. Thanks for he info
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You can not go to a higher Ah battery than what is rated for your car. You can't program the car to have higher output from the alternator.

Only X5 e70 LCI, manufactured from Oct 2011 on, can accept the 105Ah battery. After battery registration, you can program the car to accept the 105Ah battery.
So, did I get ripped off from the stealer? I will check my battery later to see if it 105 or 90 as they charged me for 105 + software upgrade on my 6/2010 production.
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So, did I get ripped off from the stealer? I will check my battery later to see if it 105 or 90 as they charged me for 105 + software upgrade on my 6/2010 production.
everything ive read say 03/2010 production and up is fine. also at my dealer the 105 is $135 less the the 90...
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everything ive read say 03/2010 production and up is fine. also at my dealer the 105 is $135 less the the 90...
That make sense. I checked mime and it is the 105.
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Yes, big Husky fan. My build date is 9/10, so I would think there would be some pretty good updates to do. I haven't found any coding that I have lost and I had a pretty extensive list.

I had no clue about the HPFP. I had the following replaced:

Updated fuel injectors
Vacuum Pump
Low pressure fuel sensor with line
PCV lines
Mass Air Flow Meters

Along with a bunch of clamps, lines, and gaskets. No care package was given like others have received.

So what is the scoop on this HPFP? Is there a bulletin out on it? Going to be really pissed if I have to take it again to get this done when they could have easily done it this time.
Well, it looks like taking my car to Bellevue BMW has bit me good. I started getting a slow oil leak the day I got it back and it has progressed since then. I finally got tired of the oil on my garage floor and took it back to them today. Just got a call from the SA saying they don't really know where the leak is coming from, could be somewhere around the turbo. They would be more than happy to take a look at it will cost me $5800. This car has never leaked oil until I brought it in there for this fix. THey are taking no responsibility and are telling me the leak is not coming from anywhere they did work. Completely unacceptable and the SA was a total ASS about it.

Any ideas on next steps?
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Now I just had a wonderful converation with the main guy in service. He was even more argumentative, which was astonishing. He told me I was accusing his forman and SA a being liars, which I absolutely did not do. I told them the car has never leaked oil, and after all the work they did, it was leaking oil immediately, which is a very big coincidence. Was trying to put a lot of words in my mouth. After having 3 BMW's serviced there, you would think they would have some respect for their customers.

I then asked one more important question. IF my car was leaking oil when I brought it in, would you take notes on that and document it. He paused for a bit, and then said yes. I said great, why don't you check my records and I'll wait on the phone. He verified there were no issues, but then lectured me on how bad the N63 engine is and that these are cars are well known to have issues like oil leaks. He basically dismissed the whole thing due to a crappy car. I then proceeded to tell him I have a hard time with him using these excuses of oil leaks on a $85,000 car that is 4 years old and found that unacceptable.

I guess I made him think some more, because now he wants to do more research and get back to me. Even more unimpressed with Bellevue BMW after the 2nd call. I guess customers are guilty until proven innocent...if they ever are. He told me the leaks are coming from the upper oil pan, turbo lines, and maybe the rear seal, but couldn't tell on that one. I reminded him of everything they replaced on the car and asked if there was any possible way the leaks could be caused by their work. He said no. But again, an amazing coincidence the leaks started the next morning when I pulled out the garage and noticed oil on my floor.

Based on his tone, I highly doubt they will do anything here. Love these guys.
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Now I just had a wonderful converation with the main guy in service. He was even more argumentative, which was astonishing. He told me I was accusing his forman and SA a being liars, which I absolutely did not do. I told them the car has never leaked oil, and after all the work they did, it was leaking oil immediately, which is a very big coincidence. Was trying to put a lot of words in my mouth. After having 3 BMW's serviced there, you would think they would have some respect for their customers.

I then asked one more important question. IF my car was leaking oil when I brought it in, would you take notes on that and document it. He paused for a bit, and then said yes. I said great, why don't you check my records and I'll wait on the phone. He verified there were no issues, but then lectured me on how bad the N63 engine is and that these are cars are well known to have issues like oil leaks. He basically dismissed the whole thing due to a crappy car. I then proceeded to tell him I have a hard time with him using these excuses of oil leaks on a $85,000 car that is 4 years old and found that unacceptable.

I guess I made him think some more, because now he wants to do more research and get back to me. Even more unimpressed with Bellevue BMW after the 2nd call. I guess customers are guilty until proven innocent...if they ever are. He told me the leaks are coming from the upper oil pan, turbo lines, and maybe the rear seal, but couldn't tell on that one. I reminded him of everything they replaced on the car and asked if there was any possible way the leaks could be caused by their work. He said no. But again, an amazing coincidence the leaks started the next morning when I pulled out the garage and noticed oil on my floor.

Based on his tone, I highly doubt they will do anything here. Love these guys.
Sorry to hear this. I don't have any suggestions for you, but I'll leave you with this:

Their foreman is a joke - he claimed the thumping sound I was hearing when I braked was "normal" because of some high torsion in the drive shaft or some BS like that (which went away after BMW seattle replaced control arm bushings). I would not trust them to do the right thing.

Edit: you might want to post your experience on bimmerfest as well. There are some fire-breathing expert members who hate stealerships, and would be able to give you a good counter strategy..
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Now I just had a wonderful converation with the main guy in service. He was even more argumentative, which was astonishing. He told me I was accusing his forman and SA a being liars, which I absolutely did not do. I told them the car has never leaked oil, and after all the work they did, it was leaking oil immediately, which is a very big coincidence. Was trying to put a lot of words in my mouth. After having 3 BMW's serviced there, you would think they would have some respect for their customers.

I then asked one more important question. IF my car was leaking oil when I brought it in, would you take notes on that and document it. He paused for a bit, and then said yes. I said great, why don't you check my records and I'll wait on the phone. He verified there were no issues, but then lectured me on how bad the N63 engine is and that these are cars are well known to have issues like oil leaks. He basically dismissed the whole thing due to a crappy car. I then proceeded to tell him I have a hard time with him using these excuses of oil leaks on a $85,000 car that is 4 years old and found that unacceptable.

I guess I made him think some more, because now he wants to do more research and get back to me. Even more unimpressed with Bellevue BMW after the 2nd call. I guess customers are guilty until proven innocent...if they ever are. He told me the leaks are coming from the upper oil pan, turbo lines, and maybe the rear seal, but couldn't tell on that one. I reminded him of everything they replaced on the car and asked if there was any possible way the leaks could be caused by their work. He said no. But again, an amazing coincidence the leaks started the next morning when I pulled out the garage and noticed oil on my floor.

Based on his tone, I highly doubt they will do anything here. Love these guys.
This is really frustrating to hear for many reasons - one being BMW Bellevue is local to me but I've avoided them at all costs for nearly 15 years now. I took my 1st E46 into them, once, under warranty, and swore never to go back.

For this specific repair I guess you'll have to hope BMW Bellevue comes through, but for all future repairs I'd go to BMW Seattle - I've had great success with them over the years. I've also had good luck at Strictly BMW (indy shop) in Bellevue - those guys are courteous, knowledgeable, have a solid history/track record, and won't treat you like you're being treated right now.

Can you escalate to BMW North America? I agree way too big of a coincidence. Damn that dealership is trash.
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Ugh, more BMW Bellevue nightmares. Sorry to hear. It's been ~4 months since mine has been in for service there and I haven't been missing them, let's just say that.

I think it really comes down to who you get as a SA there. Mine has actually been pretty good to me over the last 18 months, but my X5 has been a problem child and has spent a lot of time there. She has gone to bat for me several times in getting things repaired.
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Now I just had a wonderful converation with the main guy in service. He was even more argumentative, which was astonishing. He told me I was accusing his forman and SA a being liars, which I absolutely did not do. I told them the car has never leaked oil, and after all the work they did, it was leaking oil immediately, which is a very big coincidence. Was trying to put a lot of words in my mouth. After having 3 BMW's serviced there, you would think they would have some respect for their customers.

I then asked one more important question. IF my car was leaking oil when I brought it in, would you take notes on that and document it. He paused for a bit, and then said yes. I said great, why don't you check my records and I'll wait on the phone. He verified there were no issues, but then lectured me on how bad the N63 engine is and that these are cars are well known to have issues like oil leaks. He basically dismissed the whole thing due to a crappy car. I then proceeded to tell him I have a hard time with him using these excuses of oil leaks on a $85,000 car that is 4 years old and found that unacceptable.

I guess I made him think some more, because now he wants to do more research and get back to me. Even more unimpressed with Bellevue BMW after the 2nd call. I guess customers are guilty until proven innocent...if they ever are. He told me the leaks are coming from the upper oil pan, turbo lines, and maybe the rear seal, but couldn't tell on that one. I reminded him of everything they replaced on the car and asked if there was any possible way the leaks could be caused by their work. He said no. But again, an amazing coincidence the leaks started the next morning when I pulled out the garage and noticed oil on my floor.

Based on his tone, I highly doubt they will do anything here. Love these guys.
Had the same issues. Found leak at freeze plug on 4th visit to service,elected to replace engine under warranty. 2011 41k miles replaced on 10/23/15 30days to locate leak and replace engine.
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How can I tell if the 2011 X5 50i I recently purchased has had the N63 Customer Care Package service performed? I know the vehicle was originally purchased from BMW of Tuscon but then traded in and auctioned. Nashville BMW was no help when I called their service dept with the VIN.

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How can I tell if the 2011 X5 50i I recently purchased has had the N63 Customer Care Package service performed? I know the vehicle was originally purchased from BMW of Tuscon but then traded in and auctioned. Nashville BMW was no help when I called their service dept with the VIN.

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You did the right thing - I'd call again and ask for a different service advisor. It shouldn't take them any time at all w/ the VIN to determine if the work was done. This is recall work, they should be taking better care of you then that.

If they won't help you the 2nd time, I'd ask to speak to the service manager. Or find a different dealer. Or call BMW NA to complain.
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Brother is a SA...

Good news for us N63 owners...

N63 replacement engines dropped significantly in price early Jan and there was just another big drop today. It's a complete, rebuilt engine, with upgraded seals/components - 2 year warranty.

%73 drop in past 90 days.

https://www.jakesweeneybmwparts.com/...xoCFVoQAvD_BwE

I have BMW NA contributing 4K already to this repair so we're waiting to see what the Rep says. as they think the engine price might continue to drop.

I'll come back on Friday, so sorry for delay.
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