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The First Issue: Why don't consumers buy a Golf TDI instead of Prius? In fact, here in the UK more people have (and are) buying diesels over petrols and even hybrids. As another person here posted, the TDI, or any diesel for that matter, cannot achieve the same MPG as a Prius over short, town journeys and the difference between the 2 in mpg is quite substantial. In my experience, diesels use at much fuel as petrols from cold start. Only once they achieve the optimum operating temperature do they become more efficient. Further, diesels weren't really designed for short (under 5mile) stop start journeys. Modern diesel (2008 onwards) come with a particulate filter and they become blocked if one does a lot of short/town journeys. Replacing one of these filters is VERY expensive. In the UK consumers are realising the short falls of diesels and people are beginning to revert back to petrols (turbo petrols) for those who do more town journeys or less than 10k miles in a year. The Second Issue Not sure about the states, but people here don't buy the Prius to show off that they are 'environmentally friendly.' That's complete nonsense, anyone with half a brain would know that Prius won't save the planet and would know that it's carbon footprint is higher than most other bigger cars. Here, people get the Prius primarly because it's so cheap to run. Zero road tax, very fuel efficient, high residual value, not that much more expensive (if any) than the equivalent sized diesel car and excellent Toyota reliabilty. In another story, some Prius driver pri*k tried to get ahead of me at the lights today and he was even in the wrong lane. I cannot allow that. Even though the Prius has good low down torque, I problem that I was worried about what the awful lag in the E90 auto transmission from standstill. (is there something wrong with my car??!!) Anywho, I put the handbrake on, put it in 'D' revving at 3k rpm and let off. The Prius had no chance. Last edited by plasma23; 04-22-2014 at 05:37 PM.. |
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04-22-2014, 10:36 AM | #47 | |
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Not to discredit the Golf at all, it's a great (if somewhat drab) car but I wouldn't mind one for a daily driver. |
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04-22-2014, 10:39 AM | #48 | |
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04-22-2014, 11:21 AM | #52 |
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lol this has gotta be a joke right? The Golf TDI isn'y a drivers car in any shape or form. It's a German eco box getting from A to B. It's a front wheel drive, front heavy car! Now the Golf GTI is another matter, that is a drivers car.
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04-22-2014, 11:28 AM | #53 |
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No worries, there's the new golf GTE that will spit out something like 130mpg. No need to look like a complete dumbass just to save gas. Driving dynamics should never be compromised.
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Anybody remember the VW Toureg supercharged hybrid?? I thought it was a fantastic idea for those who don't want to compromise on performance or MPG's.
I guess it didn't sell to well based on the price margin for a VW. Same tech to me as the panamera hybrid. EDIT: VW still sells it. 380HP, 20/24 MPG for $64k. Last edited by Uber V8; 04-22-2014 at 01:04 PM.. |
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04-22-2014, 07:27 PM | #57 |
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No...the TDI will be about 30mpg around town and the Prius will hover around 50mpg in town. I found the TDIs to be quite boring to drive as well...definitelely not what I would call a drivers car. The TDI is slightly more engaging to drive than my CT but it gets considerably worse gas mileage and I have much more faith in Toyota/Lexus reliability.
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04-23-2014, 09:32 AM | #61 |
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The Prius is a great appliance. If you want to think you're doing your part for the environment, I could but won't prove you wrong.
However, when people drive cars like appliances, they have no care for feedback on the road. No feedback = less care for driving, and IMO it can become a safety issue. They are everywhere around Boston, and you worry about the carelessness of these drivers. I'd rather have a Golf/Jetta TDI any day. The slight mpg difference, even if it is 10+, would be made up by the improved driving dynamics. |
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I also own an audi A3 tdi for DD. Around town the difference between that and a Prius is 20mpg, I wouldn't consider that a slight difference as u say. Driving dynamics isn't much different from the Prius either. The TDI also has a lot of body roll, FWD and front heavy. My A3 is still an appliance at the end of the day, just a 'fancy/premium' one. What I will say is that compared to other brands such as Ford, Vauxhall, Toyota etc Golfs/A3 are more heavy thus giving you a feeling of being more secure, which it probably will be if you are in a crash. That said, the Prius didn't feel like a typical light Toyota, probably cos of all those batteries |
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I saw a modded prius at LTMW that looked pretty damn cool. Had the liberty walk body kit, was lowered, and a set of nice rims. Some of the new ones don't look half bad.
That said, id rather have a Volt. I think they look pretty good and not using any gas for my daily commute would be a huge plus. Last edited by Mpowered; 04-23-2014 at 02:17 PM.. |
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