X6 and the competitors

[uriel13]

fortunately it's only X6 5.0i

http://magazines.drivers-republic.co...onstersinc049/

[dmlgc]

link seems to take you in circles never could get to the article.

[uriel13]

Originally Posted by dmlgc

link seems to take you in circles never could get to the article.

[jlstyle]

Nice.
2/3 price of others but performs near top.

[archwerks]

Originally Posted by uriel13

fortunately it's only X6 5.0i

http://magazines.drivers-republic.co...onstersinc049/

Thx for the link. interesting comparo.
If u consider how much more $ u pay for Porsche badge. the x6 is a fantastic alternative.

[xDrive50i]

Originally Posted by dmlgc

link seems to take you in circles never could get to the article.

Did you try the top left forward and back controls to flip the pages of this article???

Interesting article and comparison.

If and this is a BIG IF the X6M is really all that it claims it will be, I think it would demolish the other cars on the track seeing as how close the Porsche Turbo, BMW X6 50i, MB ML63 AMG and to a lesser extend the new Audi Q7 V12 6.0 TDI rated!!!

[xDrive50i]

Originally Posted by archwerks

Thx for the link. interesting comparo.
If u consider how much more $ u pay for Porsche badge. the x6 is a fantastic alternative.

+1

Granted, looks are a subjective issue, but I think the X6 also looks a lot better than the Porsche (at least IMHO).

[archwerks]

Definitely no holds barred, blow all competition out of the water!
Give Cayenne Turbo S a run for the money!

[dmlgc]

Originally Posted by xDrive50i

Did you try the top left forward and back controls to flip the pages of this article???

Interesting article and comparison.

If and this is a BIG IF the X6M is really all that it claims it will be, I think it would demolish the other cars on the track seeing as how close the Porsche Turbo, BMW X6 50i, MB ML63 AMG and to a lesser extend the new Audi Q7 V12 6.0 TDI rated!!!

Just checked was being blocked by one of my browser security add ons.
thanks.

[dmlgc]

Next time they should get a driver who can use the paddle shifters.

[xDrive50i]

Originally Posted by dmlgc

Next time they should get a driver who can use the paddle shifters.

Well, I am sure he probably 'knows' how to use them, but if you are used to something and then switch cars as often as he had to do for this comparo, it's not easy to remember AND use them properly (e.g. the push forward to downshift in one car vs. push forward to upshift in another car...).

But I agree that for a fair comparison, they need to be handled/used all equally if they sport the same options.

Also, again, I get the feeling the driver/reporter favored the MB (reading the article and going on about how great the MB is right of the bat...).

[MeEmZ]

does anyone think the x6 needs better breaks ?? It seams that the x6 is slowest into corners and it could catch up every single time. What if it had better breaks ? wouldn't that put it on top ?

[dmlgc]

Originally Posted by xDrive50i

Well, I am sure he probably 'knows' how to use them, but if you are used to something and then switch cars as often as he had to do for this comparo, it's not easy to remember AND use them properly (e.g. the push forward to downshift in one car vs. push forward to upshift in another car...).

But I agree that for a fair comparison, they need to be handled/used all equally if they sport the same options.

Also, again, I get the feeling the driver/reporter favored the MB (reading the article and going on about how great the MB is right of the bat...).

They should use drivers that are familiar with the car, that way you will get the best time for that car.

[mitch_e90]

Of course the X6M will smash the opposition.

If you ever drove another 4x4, you know how good the X6 is. Even the X5 can seem a bit heavier / clumsier in comparison to the X6, and the X5 was already the absolute reference in terms of handling. Porsche Mercedes and the others don' t know how to make a sporty 4x4 yet, their 4x4 feel more like trucks in comparison.

[archwerks]

Money talks BS walks.
Lets have a quarterly sales figures worldwide & by country of SUV sales, by model/engine.
Does anyone have access to these figures? JD powers/Des rossier??
Though the automotive journalists all have valid professional opinions,
the consumers who put down their hard earned, after tax dollars are the ultimate judge, reflected in sales figures.
People are creatures of habits & prejudice because of exposure to various life experiences.
Even if 10 people have ml 6.3, Cayenne turbo 3, x6 5.0, RR sport/HSE, Audi q7, Hummer H2/H3 in their garage, will have a different "favorite' on any given day.

[xDrive50i]

Originally Posted by archwerks

Money talks BS walks.
Lets have a quarterly sales figures worldwide & by country of SUV sales, by model/engine.
Does anyone have access to these figures? JD powers/Des rossier??
Though the automotive journalists all have valid professional opinions,
the consumers who put down their hard earned, after tax dollars are the ultimate judge, reflected in sales figures.
People are creatures of habits & prejudice because of exposure to various life experiences.
Even if 10 people have ml 6.3, Cayenne turbo 3, x6 5.0, RR sport/HSE, Audi q7, Hummer H2/H3 in their garage, will have a different "favorite' on any given day.

I don't think that just looking at sales number will tell you what's the 'best' 4x4, SUV, SAC or whaterver you want to call it out there is.

Lot's of people buy things for looks, their personal preference or what they can afford at the time they make the purchase. So if 10 people buy SUV x and 5 people buy SUV y, does that mean that SUV x is better than SUV y?
I don't think so. So looking at sales numbers will definitely not tell you what's better.

Narrowing it down a bit more (like you stated at the beginning) may make for a better comparison). There are also other factors you would have to bring into this comparison, e.g. brand/model awareness (how long has this particular model been on the market and how many people know about it).

[uriel13]

I'don't know if there is some "rumors" but...


"At the Nurburgring racetrack, BMW X6 M has proven to be faster than the E46 M3 and finished a full lap in less than 8 minutes. BMW is proud of the performance they achieved in this car and they seem the X6 M and X5 M as opportunity to preview the performance that will be seen in the next M models, with the M5 being the first one to receive a twin-turbo engine."

http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/04/09/ne...comment-116822

the M3 E92 lap it's 8:05 and the X6 5.0i lap it's 8.54...

[xDrive50i]

Originally Posted by uriel13

I'don't know if there is some "rumors" but...


"At the Nurburgring racetrack, BMW X6 M has proven to be faster than the E46 M3 and finished a full lap in less than 8 minutes. BMW is proud of the performance they achieved in this car and they seem the X6 M and X5 M as opportunity to preview the performance that will be seen in the next M models, with the M5 being the first one to receive a twin-turbo engine."

http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/04/09/ne...comment-116822

the M3 E92 lap it's 8:05 and the X6 5.0i lap it's 8.54...

The link you posted is invalid. You must have copied the link from another post as it appears that the link is abbreviated!

Can you please correct that?!?

[teagueAMX]

I agree the test/drivers seems to have a preference for the MB to start with.

I also think the x6's rear axle characteristics freaked him out a little bit, and with a couple more practice laps could well have beat the Porsche. They mentioned in the article it was a little unsettling, and if you look at the x6's speed into the first couple of turns was excellent, but the last few turns were a little slower in and out of the turns.

I think this is due to driver error mostly due to being unaccustomed to the outside rear wheel pulling as it does. He should have driven it harder to overcome the understeer at the limit. Doing that he could have easily shaved the 0.1 off his time to beat the Porsche.

As noted above, the M version should change the scenario in the next stack up, as BMW indicates it going to drive more like rear wheel drive rather than all wheel drive.

Side note: I think it's interesting that now days these drivers all have the drifting craze when it comes carving corners. For some reason they think you're not really driving if you can't brake loose the rear end midway through a curve. Both the MB and the Porsche allow you to break loose the rear end rather easily, and likely why they prefer them over the x6. The fact is spinning your tires coming out of a corner means lost time.

[uriel13]

Originally Posted by xDrive50i

The link you posted is invalid. You must have copied the link from another post as it appears that the link is abbreviated!

Can you please correct that?!?

I hope now go

http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/04/09/ne...comment-116822

[archwerks]

Spinning tires also wears them out faster with tread wear & heat.
Some folks just like to burn money, because they can.

[Kojak]

article says "“impressive, amazing in corner and doesn’t feel that you’re riding in a car that weighs 4,894 lbs”. x6 501 is 5269 lbs. x6 35i is 4894 lbs. Is that a misquote or did they find a way to shave weight off the M?