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      07-27-2011, 11:16 AM   #1
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Post October Model Changes - Diesel update

Unfortunately for all of us waiting on the 2012 x5 diesel, looks like we won't be getting the 40d. They didn't come out and say it, but sounds like they may be keeping the 6-speed transmission as well.

I can't discern a reason for the delay on the 2012 Diesel. The changes seem to be related to how they market the vehicle (i.e. standard features). Floormats are now standard for the x3, x5, and x6. Maybe there's more information to come?

Looks like the x6 gets some nice new details...but I'm still favoring the x5 diesel.
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      07-27-2011, 02:43 PM   #2
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Thanks for posting. I was really hoping that the 40d and an 8 speed auto would be added for the 2012 model. It did not make sense however after the new tri-turbo diesel engine information was released. Since the new engine is expected to make its way into the X6 this spring, I'm sure it will trickle into the X5 over the next 1-2 years.

Any idea if the eco-credit remains for 2012?
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      07-27-2011, 04:08 PM   #3
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Unfortunately for all of us waiting on the 2012 x5 diesel, looks like we won't be getting the 40d. They didn't come out and say it, but sounds like they may be keeping the 6-speed transmission as well.

I can't discern a reason for the delay on the 2012 Diesel. The changes seem to be related to how they market the vehicle (i.e. standard features). Floormats are now standard for the x3, x5, and x6. Maybe there's more information to come?

Looks like the x6 gets some nice new details...but I'm still favoring the x5 diesel.
Do you know if there are any package changes for the X5M or X6M starting in October or is it simply a $500 price increase?
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      07-27-2011, 08:35 PM   #4
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I'm not aware of any M package changes. Maybe the increase is for the floor mats?

My CA said that the eco-credit will still available in August but he's not sure if it will apply to the 2012 35d.
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      07-27-2011, 11:16 PM   #5
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I'm confused about people hoping for the 40d to appear in the U.S. Isn't that just a different designation for vehicles the same engine (N57) that we get in the 35d, except mated to the 8 speed transmission instead of the 6 speed? The specs for the 40d are a little better, but that could just be different tuning or different rating methods used in different markets. The older 3.0 liter Diesel (M57) is marketed as the 3.0sd elsewhere, but I don't think that's the engine sold in the U.S. 35d models, is it? As far as I can tell 40d = N57 + 8 speed.
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      07-28-2011, 02:42 AM   #6
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Slightly pissed of the potential cost savings since i just ordered my '11 and take delivery tomorrow, especially if the eco credit still exists for the '12 MY. However, not remotely as pissed as I would be if I had ordered an X3.
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      07-28-2011, 05:17 AM   #7
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nevermind, wrong forum

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      07-30-2011, 03:02 AM   #8
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Quite confident it will have the 8-speed auto, regardless of the latest PDF release.

Considering BMW has not officially announced or confirmed the return of the twin-turbo 3.0-liter, I am still speculating there is a significant powerplant change. Why else would information be so sparse? If they have nothing to hide, why not disclose it?
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      07-30-2011, 12:23 PM   #9
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Am I missing something, or does it appear the Sport Activity Package (ZAP) is no longer offered on the '12 X5 xDrive35d?
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      07-30-2011, 03:09 PM   #10
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I also believe that 8 spd. will be standard on 2012. It's 8spd in Europe and across the entire x5 lineup so why wouldn't it in the U.S. x5 diesel. I believe that they didn't update the 2011 diesel like gas versions because of either new 4.0d U.S. emissions issues, or they wanted to use up excess 6spd. inventory and/or 3.5d engines. 3rd possiblity is that they didn't want to new diesel sales to take away from the LCI gas sales. Either way, I am most convinced that it will have 8spd as it doesn't make sense not to standardize the entire product line.
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Actually, it appears that the 4.0d is the same engine, but with a different tune. So emissions shouldn't be an issue. So I'm sure its just market timing between gas version and diesel version updates, or excess 6spd. inventory. Also, the package pricing is the other big change.

I wonder if they will have the tune available for 3.5d to bring it up to 4.0d power?
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      08-01-2011, 01:02 PM   #12
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I don't have the source handy, but a while back I saw a post where someone explained that the 40d and 35d are actually quite different. The 35d is based on the "old" (10+ years) M57 engine and the 40d is based on the newer N57. All of the urea-injection technology works on the M57 and has not been released/certified for the M57, so the US gets that engine. I believe that some/all of the 3.0L diesel engines for other markets are based on the N57, but it simply can't be dropped in and shipped for the USA.

To make things "worse" for those of us in the USA, the 8-speed transmission was designed for use with the newer gas and diesel engines and cannot be easily retrofitted to the older M57. With the 3 series and X5 being updated over the next couple of model years, it may be that BMW waits to introduce the N57 in the USA with those models.

After owning a 2011 35d for the past 10 months, I'd tell anyone considering one to not worry overly much and just get it. They're not speed demons, but they'll get out of their own way nicely, can outrun most traffic, and will easily reach "take my license away" speeds with very little effort. The 6 speed is smooth, the engine makes a nice sound that is reminiscent of a V8, and economy is decent for a 2.5+ ton vehicle. Would I prefer a 40d with the 8-speed? Sure, but I'd also like an X5 with a 2.0L 4-cylinder tri-turbo hybrid diesel-electric, 40+ mpg, a weight reduction of 1000 lbs, complete LCD multi-touch dash, and so on, but I am enjoying my X5 now.

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      08-01-2011, 03:32 PM   #13
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The 35d and 40d are the exact same engine. One has stricter emissions requirements and less tuning, (35D) (for US standards.)the 40d does not have the restrictive exhaust and urea requirements and the higher tune. But the exact same block and internals.
And the N57D30OL (35d) is STILL used here in Europe. The N57D30TOP (40d) is used in the X6/X5 and 740d. 5 series and others use this (35d) engine.
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      08-02-2011, 11:39 AM   #14
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The 35d and 40d are the exact same engine. One has stricter emissions requirements and less tuning, (35D) (for US standards.)the 40d does not have the restrictive exhaust and urea requirements and the higher tune. But the exact same block and internals.
And the N57D30OL (35d) is STILL used here in Europe. The N57D30TOP (40d) is used in the X6/X5 and 740d. 5 series and others use this (35d) engine.
You are probably correct for Europe, but not for the USA. Everything points to the USA getting the M57 for the 35d, with the dual inline turbos, single air intake, 6-speed transmission, etc. The 40d gets the N57 with the newer "twin-scroll" turbos, dual air intakes, 8-speed, and so on. It's not a direct swap, although that's not saying it can't be done. The question may be more of whether they will spend the money to have the new engine and transmission certified for the USA, especially with the next generation X5 due in a couple of years.
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      08-02-2011, 12:21 PM   #15
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You are probably correct for Europe, but not for the USA. Everything points to the USA getting the M57 for the 35d, with the dual inline turbos, single air intake, 6-speed transmission, etc. The 40d gets the N57 with the newer "twin-scroll" turbos, dual air intakes, 8-speed, and so on. It's not a direct swap, although that's not saying it can't be done. The question may be more of whether they will spend the money to have the new engine and transmission certified for the USA, especially with the next generation X5 due in a couple of years.
I say they will spend the money, as the engine is a natural for not only the X5, but the 5 Series and 7 Series. BMW tends to do engine changes mid-model (now), not with a new body style.
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I finally tracked down what looks like a definitive answer to which engine the U.S. X5 35d has. It's the M57, but unlike the single-turbo version sold elsewhere, the U.S. version has the sequential twin turbo (but not variable geometry like the N57). My source is from the X5 press kit spec sheet, which I found at http://www.bmwusanews.com/download.do?id=146 . Read across the line the says "Engine." So my earlier "I'm confused..." post was wrong. SkipSauls' post above makes a lot of sense, but the explanation that we still have the 6-speed because the M57 wasn't designed to work with the 8-speed may not be right. The X5 30d for sale in Europe (which appears to be M57, but I've been wrong before...) comes with the 8-speed.
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