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05-18-2015, 05:47 PM | #23 |
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I don't think it's the reason per se, it's just one of several. The main reason being that no one buys manuals anymore. It is just a poor choice of words why to consider dropping the manual. |
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05-18-2015, 06:37 PM | #26 |
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Too little too late. I've made the switch to American. Nothing can beat the performance/$ of the Vette. I picked up an amazing deal on a C5 Z06 and it runs circles around my E92 any day. Drop maybe $10k into it and you've got a track beast from hell.
Then again, I may go pick up a next-gen 5er for daily cruising. BMW does luxury and style right. |
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05-18-2015, 06:53 PM | #28 |
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05-18-2015, 06:53 PM | #29 |
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Mercedes AMG has had direct competition for existing M models since the 90s, and AMG models that BMW doesn't even have yet. The Black Series are a step above---they are the batshit crazy models. Like the SLK AMG Black series and the CLK AMG Black Series and the SL65 AMG Black Series. That car had 660 hp and had well over 700 lb ft of torque. I guess BMW's equivalent would be the CSL/GTS/Competition Package (for the current M5/M6/M6 Gran Coupe.
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05-18-2015, 07:26 PM | #31 | |
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05-18-2015, 07:43 PM | #32 |
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AWD on the M5/M6 makes sense. They are already big/heavy straight line luxury rockets anyway
If those AWD commuters are what it takes to keep making the M3 and smaller cars lighter and more hard core I'm all for that I also still keep my fingers crossed there is another Z4M coupe that uses carbon fiber tech to come in under 3000lb and paired with the M3/M4 drivetrain.. Drool. |
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05-18-2015, 08:26 PM | #33 | |
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And as far as driving a stick as a daily driver goes, my e90 is just amazing. I have put 100,000 miles on it in 6 years (had like 50k when I got it in 2009). The combination of the clutch take up, awesome gearing, fantastic shifter, perfectly spaced pedals and dual mass flywheel make it seamless to drive in traffic. Some stick cars just aren't awesome to drive in the city. This car and all of its parts are integrated together SO WELL, it seems as if BMW designed it as if it was the only option available. Add in a perfect seating position, visibility and on and on, it just makes an ideal daily driver. And the damn thing is almost 10 years old with 160,000 miles. I del like if other car makers NAILED IT like bmw did with my 330i, more people would want to drive a stick. My cousin bought a chevy cruise (company car, limited options) with their 1.4t and a 6 speed stick. It's not the worst car I've ever driven, but dammit, the shifter is awful, the pedals are spaced terribly (not even centered with my hips) and you can't easily rev match due to the pedal layout. Add in awful visibility ... well its just a shame the company wouldn't let him get a golf or jetta for the same, or even less money. Wow I got way the hell off topic in an attempt to illustrate my point! At the end of the day, how much money does it really cost to bring manual trans cars to market. I can't think that BMW lost a dime selling stick shift M5s in the US. It gives them credibility that gets people in the show room to buy, even if they don't buy that car. Just like the old "win on sunday, sell on monday deal." Chalk up selling stick shift cars to marketing expense. And bring back wagons for the same reason. Hell, it can't cost them any more than bringing low volume cars like the 5er GT. Don't tell me making stick shift available in any car in the line up is cost prohibitive when they have the audacity to market 5er GT, X4, X6, 3er GT, i3, i8, and on and on.
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im worried where M is headed. No manual means I'll likely stop buying new M models and head in the opposite direction, probably an E46 next, or maybe back to the E9x. Having a manual is one of the joys of having a performance car.
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Now these idiots start to realise that M starts to mean only a sticker and aero kit not much more for ordinary people.
Of course they will need to make Black Series -like models as M is becoming so abused that in a short future people will start to think that BMW has been rebranded to M. Hey mate! What a nice M car you bought. Is it Black Series? |
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I do hope that people from BMW read this forum because a lot of us will leave the brand of we can't get a third pedal. |
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05-19-2015, 01:59 PM | #43 | |
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The day you can't get a manual in a BMW M car is going to be extremely sad for everyone, and I hope BMW can prolong the coming of that day for as long as possible. I have to stop, thinking about this just makes me |
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I was a manual driver for a million years. The M DCT is pretty awesome. It does relieve left foot fatigue and is otherwise pretty much a manny tranny.
(Is this going to start a war?)
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