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      02-23-2015, 07:35 PM   #1
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Anyone Track their X5M

If so, impressions. Are there any track brake pad compounds for this truck? How about camber plates or other adjustments for front camber. Are KW3 the only coilover available? What's the widest tire anyone has stuffed in the front?

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If so, impressions. Are there any track brake pad compounds for this truck? How about camber plates or other adjustments for front camber. Are KW3 the only coilover available? What's the widest tire anyone has stuffed in the front?

Thanks for your input.
Go by something fun to drive on the track ! The x5 is a tank!
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KW v3's and a cheap Taiwanese coilover from D2.

No camber plates that I know of, though BMW makes camber arms in -0.5, 0.0, and +0.5 deg increments for the fronts. Usually used after an accident.

At the end of the day, it's probably the worst car to run at a track, unless this is a one-off effort. too heavy, high CoG, and too heavy. :-P
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KW v3's and a cheap Taiwanese coilover from D2.

No camber plates that I know of, though BMW makes camber arms in -0.5, 0.0, and +0.5 deg increments for the fronts. Usually used after an accident.

At the end of the day, it's probably the worst car to run at a track, unless this is a one-off effort. too heavy, high CoG, and too heavy. :-P
Yes I'm serious. I tow my spec Miata with my X5M. Just met a guy who tracked his X5M a month ago at Texas World Speedway. Ran a 2:05 which is awesome for a 5,000+ lb brick. He did it for fun. His time attack S2000 was getting some work done. His mods were SRF and a Dinan tune.

I got the X5M partially as insurance if my Miata experienced a breakdown at a HPDE event. Hate to waste a paid weekend. Why not roll up to the grid in a steroid pumping grocery getter and embarrass half the cars there. Wanted to get more opinions from those who have tracked theirs. Clearly the brakes are the weak link. And front camber adjustment. Fluid, track pads and a square setup would help. A tune would make it competitive on the straights but exacerbate braking issues. I have no illusions that this truck can take a 30 minute pounding without issues. I would set the horses free for a couple hard laps and bring her home early.
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What is the widest tire anyone has stuffed in front? If I can find a good deal I might get another set of rear wheels and tires (299) and put those up front. With a 35et offset, the stock 11" rear wheel, with a 315 tire, would be 25mm closer to the fender, which would probably stick our a little past the fender. Shouldn't be an issue on even a slightly lowered suspension. Open question is do I have 15mm of clearance towards the strut. Probably. I'll need to measure.
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      02-24-2015, 05:19 PM   #7
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I've tracked my 2010 X5M twice at Texas World Speedway. It is absolutely a blast to drive around the track and very capable. Amazing how well it handles and how fast it is in the straights! I am all stock. The oil temperature gauge never even hit 210F. The brakes get a little bit glazed over towards the end of the day but never had any serious fade after 3x30 minute sessions. Top speed was about 135 in the main straight and 110 in the back straight!
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I've tracked my 2010 X5M twice at Texas World Speedway. It is absolutely a blast to drive around the track and very capable. Amazing how well it handles and how fast it is in the straights! I am all stock. The oil temperature gauge never even hit 210F. The brakes get a little bit glazed over towards the end of the day but never had any serious fade after 3x30 minute sessions. Top speed was about 135 in the main straight and 110 in the back straight!
Ahhh, found one. Pics prove that Snipe exist. Congrats on using the full potential of your M.

Any mods for the track? What organization did you run with?
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      02-24-2015, 05:43 PM   #10
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Both times I've gone with the Houston M-club and it's been great (relatively small group of cars so not a lot of traffic). I'm in the beginner class, only track experience is with the X5M and its awesome! I do wonder how much fun it would be with a lighter vehicle, but the X5M has its own charm being out there.

It's unfortunate that this track will be closing later this year, so I've heard. No I haven't done any modifications, just gas it up and take out anything that will fly around. Then drive it home and to work the next day with no issues!
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Yes, TWS is closing but a new track is on the board near Brenham. If it happens it would open in the fall or early 2016. I have an event April 11-12 at MSR Houston. Ever driven that track?
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Haven't ever made it out to MSR. I think it is a tighter track, but would be willing to give it a shot if there any events going on!
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Haven't ever made it out to MSR. I think it is a tighter track, but would be willing to give it a shot if there any events going on!
Is the center bore of the front and rear wheels the same on the 2011x5m built after 10/10? I've seen mixed info.
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Haven't ever made it out to MSR. I think it is a tighter track, but would be willing to give it a shot if there any events going on!
Check out thedriversedge.net. Wonderful organization. One of the best around. Novice might be full for April. They sell out quickly.
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OP, I ran 295's up from and 335s in the rear on a 22 inch wheel. Pirelli is one of the few that makes it in those sizes, they have a high performance summer and all season option in that size.

To anyone who thinks tracking an x5m is stupid, keep in mind the whole reason this truck has an M badge on it is for that very reason. You CAN take it to a track and have a lot of fun. It will out do some very capable cars. There was another member on here who tracked his M daily, he actually used it to instruct people on the track. He had another track spec vehicle but said that the x5m was truly an impressive machine on the track
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OP, I ran 295's up from and 335s in the rear on a 22 inch wheel. Pirelli is one of the few that makes it in those sizes, they have a high performance summer and all season option in that size.

To anyone who thinks tracking an x5m is stupid, keep in mind the whole reason this truck has an M badge on it is for that very reason. You CAN take it to a track and have a lot of fun. It will out do some very capable cars. There was another member on here who tracked his M daily, he actually used it to instruct people on the track. He had another track spec vehicle but said that the x5m was truly an impressive machine on the track
Thanks. Do you know what the offset was on your front 22" wheel and did you add any spacers? Would you happen to know if the hub bore size is the same front and rear?
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OP, I ran 295's up from and 335s in the rear on a 22 inch wheel. Pirelli is one of the few that makes it in those sizes, they have a high performance summer and all season option in that size.

To anyone who thinks tracking an x5m is stupid, keep in mind the whole reason this truck has an M badge on it is for that very reason. You CAN take it to a track and have a lot of fun. It will out do some very capable cars. There was another member on here who tracked his M daily, he actually used it to instruct people on the track. He had another track spec vehicle but said that the x5m was truly an impressive machine on the track
No, the M badge on the X5/X6 wasn't for the track. It was to not be lost by MB and Land Rover, and other luxury units putting out performance versions of their SUVs. It was a me too, a luxury item, a niche vehicle for folks that could afford it; and BMW could collect a high margin from it, to make up for the low volume.
It wasn't for the track, though semi track capable on HPDE, but not much more beyond that. Simple physics.

For anyone that has truly tracked a car, they would know that a 5k+ car/SUV/SAV will never be a successful track vehicle. But an occasional romp has never hurt anyone, other than their wallet.
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OP, I ran 295's up from and 335s in the rear on a 22 inch wheel. Pirelli is one of the few that makes it in those sizes, they have a high performance summer and all season option in that size.

To anyone who thinks tracking an x5m is stupid, keep in mind the whole reason this truck has an M badge on it is for that very reason. You CAN take it to a track and have a lot of fun. It will out do some very capable cars. There was another member on here who tracked his M daily, he actually used it to instruct people on the track. He had another track spec vehicle but said that the x5m was truly an impressive machine on the track
No, the M badge on the X5/X6 wasn't for the track. It was to not be lost by MB and Land Rover, and other luxury units putting out performance versions of their SUVs. It was a me too, a luxury item, a niche vehicle for folks that could afford it; and BMW could collect a high margin from it, to make up for the low volume.
It wasn't for the track, though semi track capable on HPDE, but not much more beyond that. Simple physics.

For anyone that has truly tracked a car, they would know that a 5k+ car/SUV/SAV will never be a successful track vehicle. But an occasional romp has never hurt anyone, other than their wallet.
I don't think anyone would argue this truck was built as a track vehicle. Consumables would definitely put this in the "higher" cost tier. And you're right, not a good platform to start with. But it was certainly built to show off a little at the track without suffering. It's not just a straight line champ. Just saw some video of the new X6M at COTA and they were running very respectable lap times.
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No, the M badge on the X5/X6 wasn't for the track. It was to not be lost by MB and Land Rover, and other luxury units putting out performance versions of their SUVs. It was a me too, a luxury item, a niche vehicle for folks that could afford it; and BMW could collect a high margin from it, to make up for the low volume.
It wasn't for the track, though semi track capable on HPDE, but not much more beyond that. Simple physics.

For anyone that has truly tracked a car, they would know that a 5k+ car/SUV/SAV will never be a successful track vehicle. But an occasional romp has never hurt anyone, other than their wallet.
I have some capable track toys too and realize that this is the antithesis of a good track car. My point is they didn't engineer this car solely to compete in this niche market. Theres a reason these things go for about 100k, they CAN be flogged around a track and put up decent times. It was born on the nurburgring. I don't know if you've had the chance to really beat on one of these things but you'd be surprised what it can do. It can certainly hold its own in a HPDE event like you said but I agree, not meant for real events though if you really wanted you could I suppose.
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Thanks. Do you know what the offset was on your front 22" wheel and did you add any spacers? Would you happen to know if the hub bore size is the same front and rear?
Those are kept private by most manufacturers for some reason. You might get the info if you poke around with a few vendors but I could not. 22x12 in the rear and 22x10.5 up front, no idea on offsets like I mentioned but if you are getting a set made for the x5m it will be pretty much flush with the fender. No spacer required
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No, the M badge on the X5/X6 wasn't for the track. It was to not be lost by MB and Land Rover, and other luxury units putting out performance versions of their SUVs. It was a me too, a luxury item, a niche vehicle for folks that could afford it; and BMW could collect a high margin from it, to make up for the low volume.
It wasn't for the track, though semi track capable on HPDE, but not much more beyond that. Simple physics.

For anyone that has truly tracked a car, they would know that a 5k+ car/SUV/SAV will never be a successful track vehicle. But an occasional romp has never hurt anyone, other than their wallet.
Oh give me a break. Great writeup and pics on someone who ran their tow vehicle as a competent track car and you spit out the standard script against the X5M. Get over yourself and know that it is a broadly capable car.
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