[Erpicum]

I don't get why BMW decided to rename it Z4.

The car looks a lot more expensive than the previous models, it's seems like it could compete with the f-type, amg-gt, base 911,... but instead BMW decides to put in some 4 cylinders, to make no m-model and to rename it z4. It's like a missed opportunity. The looks are there, just put in some 6-in-lines and a V8 for the m version, make a coupe and they would have a hit.

Now they're just coming back to a market that almost doesn't excist anymore.

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by Erpicum

I don't get why BMW decided to rename it Z4.

The car looks a lot more expensive than the previous models, it's seems like it could compete with the f-type, amg-gt, base 911,...

I think thats just the point.
They dont want to have this car to compete with 911/f-type/amg-gt etc.
That market is very crowded with brands that have a much richer history in making upmarket sportscars or even supercars.
And the m6 also already sits somewhat in that market.
And you dont want to have both your models competing for the same potential customer unless you're already a firm marketleader in that segment (like porsche is doing/did with the more expensive caymans and base 911; every cayman test was basically comparing it to a 911 and not another car in that segment)
They clearly want to have this car competing against boxter/slk etc
The final z4 also wont be this radically looking so dont get your hopes up

[MSups6]

Originally Posted by Erpicum

I don't get why BMW decided to rename it Z4.

The car looks a lot more expensive than the previous models, it's seems like it could compete with the f-type, amg-gt, base 911,... but instead BMW decides to put in some 4 cylinders, to make no m-model and to rename it z4. It's like a missed opportunity. The looks are there, just put in some 6-in-lines and a V8 for the m version, make a coupe and they would have a hit.

Now they're just coming back to a market that almost doesn't excist anymore.

Come on lets be fair here.

Base 911 bare bones is 90k and a weak 0-60 of 4.4s, for that you'll get a highest end Z4 with every conceivable option and ill be faster.

Base Ftype is slow as hell, its 80k + to get a sub 5 second 0-60

Amg starts at $112k I don't know why the hell you are bringing up this beast in comparison to a half its price Z4. Probably less then half actually.

An I6 Z4 will smoke the Ftype and Base 911, and ill cost less to do so. Maybe compare it to a huracan

[CeEl]

Originally Posted by MSups6

Come on lets be fair here.

Base 911 bare bones is 90k and a weak 0-60 of 4.4s, for that you'll get a highest end Z4 with every conceivable option and ill be faster.

Base Ftype is slow as hell, its 80k + to get a sub 5 second 0-60

Amg starts at $112k I don't know why the hell you are bringing up this beast in comparison to a half its price Z4. Probably less then half actually.

An I6 Z4 will smoke the Ftype and Base 911, and ill cost less to do so. Maybe compare it to a huracan

In all fairness, BMW opens themselves up for a comparison with AMG ... design language is similar. But that is fine, as long as the price doesn't jump like it did with the 'current ' model.

How about comparing to a Corvette?

0 to 60 is important but not everything.

[MSups6]

Originally Posted by CeEl

In all fairness, BMW opens themselves up for a comparison with AMG ... design language is similar. But that is fine, as long as the price doesn't jump like it did with the 'current ' model.

How about comparing to a Corvette?

0 to 60 is important but not everything.

Nahh really they don't. Two door does not mean a hyundai opens it self up to a comparison with a vett.

Go for it.

Of course its not, but the Ftype is a brutally bad example to use when talking down a car. Or one who's base msrp is or will be more then double (id bet my left nut).

[supra93]

New spy video

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

I'm not convinced it will get a transaxle.

Partly because I want to keep my credibility intact but also as a little bit of proof, transaxle installations have definitely been put into consideration. It's grainy but that really looks like a Torque Tube and transaxle pre-provision to me.

Now that spy shots of the Toyota prototypes in Japan have been published, I can say with certainty that they are not the cars that were at our facility because there's no way +2 jump seats will fit back there. So what they were and what Tada-San meant with his choice of words during our meeting won't be clear until Frankfurt.

[scoobysaurus]

I just wish the headlights were as sharp as the concept. The production version looks like a frog.

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by lemetier

that they are not the cars that were at our facility

What is 'our facility' in this context?

Time will tell if you're right and the cars will be getting a transaxle or not. My guess is still not and a conventional setup.
Having two manufacturers team up to reduce cost and then producing 2 cars with completely differently designed drivelines is not very likely in my view. Technically possible sure, just very expensive. But the automotive industry is filled with economical fuckups so who knows

I cant get any detail from your pic though. Could be anything. Even the cars orientation isnt clear.
Could be a torque tube with diff, could be a torque tube with transaxle (although very very small imho), could be a chassis crevise for the propshaft with diff etc etc

[supra93]

Another spy video

[xlover]

Originally Posted by MSups6

Come on lets be fair here.

Base 911 bare bones is 90k and a weak 0-60 of 4.4s, for that you'll get a highest end Z4 with every conceivable option and ill be faster.

Base Ftype is slow as hell, its 80k + to get a sub 5 second 0-60

Amg starts at $112k I don't know why the hell you are bringing up this beast in comparison to a half its price Z4. Probably less then half actually.

An I6 Z4 will smoke the Ftype and Base 911, and ill cost less to do so. Maybe compare it to a huracan

In this class with the average buyer "feeling" speed is more important than speed itself. Even the base F-type feels fast with the loud exhaust... if they steal the muffler setup from the MPPSK for the B58 this think should sound pretty beastly.. as it shows its taillights to the jag

[wdeerfield]

This latest mule shows how far they are from the concept already with the headlights and rear end design.

[HawkeyeGeoff]

Man, I wish this did it for me. I'm very excited to get the Supra back though.

[supra93]

Photographer Lucas Scarfone captured a few shots of the new car at the Grand Hotel in Arenzano, along with one camo’d up sedan that I am guessing is the next 3 Series and two roadsters destined to be the next Z4. Here’s hoping that ends up looking as good as the concept did.

Hope you and your friends had a nice time, Supra. See you in America soon?

http://jalopnik.com/the-new-toyota-s...-in-1798696655

[supra93]

[supra93]

Obviously not as pretty as the showcar, but still quite fetching nevertheless.

The Z4 is on a hiatus until next year when the convertible will be brought back to life as the result of a joint effort between BMW and Toyota, with the latter putting the finishing touches on its own version supposedly bringing back the beloved “Supra” moniker. We already have a pretty good idea of what to expect from the new Z4 as the Bavarians have previewed their new roadster with a namesake concept. Unveiled about a month ago at Pebble Beach and currently shown in Frankfurt for its Euro debut, the conceptual Z4 is a preview of what to expect from the road-going model.

While some concepts on display these days at IAA look like they’re traveling from the future to the year 2017, the Z4 isn’t as flamboyant. There are reasons to believe the production car won’t stray away too far from the concept, especially if we take into consideration the real deal will be out in 2018, so only a year after the showcar. Not only that, but the interior seems to be virtually ready, with all the familiar switchgear available across the BMW lineup.

The attached render coming from OmniAuto.it / Motor1 Italy takes the pretty shape of the concept and dials down the excitement a bit. BMW’s corporate kidney grille is less glitzy now, while the front bumper hosts smaller air vents and a pair of fog lights. We can also observe the long vertical slits applied onto the showcar’s hood have been eliminated and instead the Z4 has gained a pair of creases.

Conventional side mirrors come to replace the tiny cameras of the concept and the doors now have regular handles. The silver buttresses engraved with the “Z4” logo are gone as the production car will make the transition from the speedster-like silhouette of the showcar to a traditional convertible with a fabric roof, thus replacing the old Z4’s hardtop.

We don’t a view of the rear end, but those sleek taillights will likely have to make way for a pair of slightly bigger clusters and there’s a good chance the large built-in spoiler won’t be as prominent as it is on the concept.

Expect to see the final BMW Z4 at a major auto show next year.

https://www.motor1.com/news/180506/2019-bmw-z4-render/

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by supra93

https://www.motor1.com/news/180506/2019-bmw-z4-render/

No.

[supra93]

^Closer?

[AKRAPOVICOWNS]

Originally Posted by supra93

^Closer?

Hope so

[CeEl]

Originally Posted by AKRAPOVICOWNS

Hope so

+1

[GuidoK]

^interesting how one artists' impression rendering on a concept car looks dorky and the other one with just some details and small lines different looks quite OK

But the second one is too low and has wheels too big to make it as a production car. Windscreen is also too small; only a midget will fit.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by supra93

^Closer?

Ermm