XBimmers.com | BMW X6 Forum X5 Forum
 
TireRack





Go Back   XBimmers.com | BMW X6 Forum X5 Forum > BMW X5 Forums > General BMW X5 (E70) and X5M Forum (2006-2013)

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      10-02-2017, 09:03 AM   #1
Naz24
Lieutenant Colonel
Naz24's Avatar
United_States
1628
Rep
1,727
Posts

Drives: W205 AMG C63 / E70 X5M
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: North/Central NJ

iTrader: (1)

Burning Smell AFTER Turning Car off - X5M

Car is sitting at the dealer right now, they are trying to figure it out. But i am in the last 3 days of CPO warranty and hoping for some insight.

Here's the problem:

After driving a full temp (not aggressively, just normal driving), and shutting the car off, after 5 minutes you can smell burning from the rear of the engine bay by the windshield. Not smelled in the cabin.

The engine shield appears to not be broken, i'm not noticing any oil problems, etc.

Anybody have a similar problem? note that you only smell it after the car is off,when its on, either the smell is not present or is being pushed somewhere else.
__________________

2017 C63
2012 X5M
SOLD: 2015 M3; 2007 X3 M Sport; 2014 X3 M Sport 35i; 2004 X5 4.4i; 1994 325i
Appreciate 0
      10-02-2017, 09:10 AM   #2
coolmayank
Private First Class
20
Rep
138
Posts

Drives: X5m
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Ca

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Naz24 View Post
Car is sitting at the dealer right now, they are trying to figure it out. But i am in the last 3 days of CPO warranty and hoping for some insight.

Here's the problem:

After driving a full temp (not aggressively, just normal driving), and shutting the car off, after 5 minutes you can smell burning from the rear of the engine bay by the windshield. Not smelled in the cabin.

The engine shield appears to not be broken, i'm not noticing any oil problems, etc.

Anybody have a similar problem? note that you only smell it after the car is off,when its on, either the smell is not present or is being pushed somewhere else.
You don’t feel the smell when the car is driven as it’s blown away by the air.
In my case I could also smell it and the vacuum breather line was leaking oil near turbo. The reason of the burning smell is just one when leaking oil comes in contact with any hot metal or the engine bay temperatur are high. Did you check if you have oil pan gasket leak or vacuum pump leaks as those will also result in burning oil smell
Appreciate 0
      10-02-2017, 09:41 AM   #3
Naz24
Lieutenant Colonel
Naz24's Avatar
United_States
1628
Rep
1,727
Posts

Drives: W205 AMG C63 / E70 X5M
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: North/Central NJ

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by coolmayank View Post
You don’t feel the smell when the car is driven as it’s blown away by the air.
In my case I could also smell it and the vacuum breather line was leaking oil near turbo. The reason of the burning smell is just one when leaking oil comes in contact with any hot metal or the engine bay temperatur are high. Did you check if you have oil pan gasket leak or vacuum pump leaks as those will also result in burning oil smell
Thanks for the reply.

I'm not sure if its an oil burning smell or more of a metallic burning smell.

I had the tech come out to the car and smell it and he confirmed something is "off" after they sent me on my way 3 other times.

The clock is ticking at this point, i guess
__________________

2017 C63
2012 X5M
SOLD: 2015 M3; 2007 X3 M Sport; 2014 X3 M Sport 35i; 2004 X5 4.4i; 1994 325i
Appreciate 0
      10-02-2017, 09:50 AM   #4
Poppyboy
Captain
United_States
192
Rep
827
Posts

Drives: 2011 X5 3.5i w/ SA Package
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Lincolnshire, IL

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
1976 Triumph TR6  [10.00]
1993 Bentley Turbo R  [10.00]
2011 X5  [10.00]
As long as a problem is logged with the dealership, you shouldn't need to worry about warranty expiry. Most definitely sounds like an oil leak somewhere.
Appreciate 0
      10-02-2017, 09:59 AM   #5
coolmayank
Private First Class
20
Rep
138
Posts

Drives: X5m
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Ca

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Naz24 View Post
Thanks for the reply.

I'm not sure if its an oil burning smell or more of a metallic burning smell.

I had the tech come out to the car and smell it and he confirmed something is "off" after they sent me on my way 3 other times.

The clock is ticking at this point, i guess
Moreover get a final inspection done by dealership about any other issues so that they can charge BMWNA for CPO repairs, this is the last chance 😂😂😂😂
Also consider the option to extend Cpo if that’s possible. I think warranty extensions can be done until your car is still in warranty

Good luck 🍀
Appreciate 0
      10-02-2017, 10:46 AM   #6
Naz24
Lieutenant Colonel
Naz24's Avatar
United_States
1628
Rep
1,727
Posts

Drives: W205 AMG C63 / E70 X5M
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: North/Central NJ

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by coolmayank View Post
Moreover get a final inspection done by dealership about any other issues so that they can charge BMWNA for CPO repairs, this is the last chance 😂😂😂😂
Also consider the option to extend Cpo if that’s possible. I think warranty extensions can be done until your car is still in warranty

Good luck 🍀
They wanted $5k to extend CPO for one year
__________________

2017 C63
2012 X5M
SOLD: 2015 M3; 2007 X3 M Sport; 2014 X3 M Sport 35i; 2004 X5 4.4i; 1994 325i
Appreciate 0
      10-03-2017, 09:31 AM   #7
jcm3
First Lieutenant
82
Rep
322
Posts

Drives: F85 X5M, 07 911 TT
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Skokie, IL

iTrader: (1)

vacuum pump dripping in the downpipes?
Appreciate 0
      10-03-2017, 09:54 AM   #8
m5james
Colonel
m5james's Avatar
United_States
429
Rep
2,062
Posts

Drives: '10 X5M Alpine White on Sakhir
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Marysville, WA

iTrader: (0)

^ this
Appreciate 0
      10-03-2017, 09:56 AM   #9
Naz24
Lieutenant Colonel
Naz24's Avatar
United_States
1628
Rep
1,727
Posts

Drives: W205 AMG C63 / E70 X5M
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: North/Central NJ

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by jcm3 View Post
vacuum pump dripping in the downpipes?
That is what i was thinking actually, something dripping on the DPs.

I'm very disappointed with the dealer right now, i've gotten zero update from them, this is the third time i've had them look into this issue.

At what point do i call BMW NA? The car is out of warranty as of thursday this week
__________________

2017 C63
2012 X5M
SOLD: 2015 M3; 2007 X3 M Sport; 2014 X3 M Sport 35i; 2004 X5 4.4i; 1994 325i
Appreciate 0
      10-03-2017, 09:58 AM   #10
Naz24
Lieutenant Colonel
Naz24's Avatar
United_States
1628
Rep
1,727
Posts

Drives: W205 AMG C63 / E70 X5M
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: North/Central NJ

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by m5james View Post
^ this
Thanks for response, i was hoping the master, M5James would chime in
__________________

2017 C63
2012 X5M
SOLD: 2015 M3; 2007 X3 M Sport; 2014 X3 M Sport 35i; 2004 X5 4.4i; 1994 325i
Appreciate 0
      10-03-2017, 10:12 AM   #11
m5james
Colonel
m5james's Avatar
United_States
429
Rep
2,062
Posts

Drives: '10 X5M Alpine White on Sakhir
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Marysville, WA

iTrader: (0)

Haha, thank you...I've just had the same thing happen is all :-) Buddy and I did it in about 3hrs, just replaced the gasket...removing the passenger side downpipe seemed the easiest way.
Attached Images
 
__________________
'10 BMW X5///M - Alpine White on Sakhir Orange - JB4 w/ HCP Stage 2 BEF, NGK 97506 @ .20, SS tubing & BMC filters, gutted cats, AC Forged 312 22's, H&R 2"
'98 BMW 740iL - ///E39 M5 6spd swap, fully built engine (sleeved, P&P, cams), 3.46 LSD, H&R Stage 2/Bilstein HD, Magnaflow 14816's
'97 BMW 328ci - ///E36 M3 clutch & L/W flywheel, Z4///M 18's
Appreciate 0
      10-03-2017, 12:55 PM   #12
Naz24
Lieutenant Colonel
Naz24's Avatar
United_States
1628
Rep
1,727
Posts

Drives: W205 AMG C63 / E70 X5M
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: North/Central NJ

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by m5james View Post
Haha, thank you...I've just had the same thing happen is all :-) Buddy and I did it in about 3hrs, just replaced the gasket...removing the passenger side downpipe seemed the easiest way.
UPDATE:

They just told me the smell is "normal" and the rear main seal is beginning to "sweat" so they are replacing that. I just did lots of research and havent seen any documented cases of rear main seal failure on the X5M, but i suppose anything is possible?

I am going to push for vacuum pump seal as well
__________________

2017 C63
2012 X5M
SOLD: 2015 M3; 2007 X3 M Sport; 2014 X3 M Sport 35i; 2004 X5 4.4i; 1994 325i

Last edited by Naz24; 10-03-2017 at 01:34 PM..
Appreciate 0
      10-03-2017, 01:41 PM   #13
greddy91
Second Lieutenant
83
Rep
254
Posts

Drives: 2010 X5M
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Oklahoma

iTrader: (0)

My first thought is the plastics at the rear of the engine bay. In my case they melted so badly they dripped on the downpipe cover and would just continually melt and harden until I figured it out and scraped off the residue.

May not be your issue, but that's exactly how I would have explained it. Though... after really hard drives it would smoke a bit.
Appreciate 0
      10-03-2017, 04:03 PM   #14
m5james
Colonel
m5james's Avatar
United_States
429
Rep
2,062
Posts

Drives: '10 X5M Alpine White on Sakhir
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Marysville, WA

iTrader: (0)

Tech confirms "something is off", suddenly they're potentially outta pocket for repairs and now it's "normal"...jesus these stealerships never stop living up to their reputations.

Rear main seal is a bitch though since the transmission needs to be removed, so doing the vacuum pump gasket is child's play since they're in there.
Appreciate 0
      10-03-2017, 05:30 PM   #15
Naz24
Lieutenant Colonel
Naz24's Avatar
United_States
1628
Rep
1,727
Posts

Drives: W205 AMG C63 / E70 X5M
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: North/Central NJ

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by m5james View Post
Tech confirms "something is off", suddenly they're potentially outta pocket for repairs and now it's "normal"...jesus these stealerships never stop living up to their reputations.

Rear main seal is a bitch though since the transmission needs to be removed, so doing the vacuum pump gasket is child's play since they're in there.
Isn't it such bullsh*t? although, they shouldn't necessarily care considering they bill the work back to BMW; hence the rear main seal replacement..They are literally about to bill BMW NA for an $8k repair (that's my guess for rear main seal replacement). I havent seen anybody on the forum with this problem, i've scoured google and the most i came up with were problems with different generation and model cars.

At this point, do you think it would be worthwhile calling BMW NA and opening up a case?
__________________

2017 C63
2012 X5M
SOLD: 2015 M3; 2007 X3 M Sport; 2014 X3 M Sport 35i; 2004 X5 4.4i; 1994 325i
Appreciate 0
      10-03-2017, 06:12 PM   #16
m5james
Colonel
m5james's Avatar
United_States
429
Rep
2,062
Posts

Drives: '10 X5M Alpine White on Sakhir
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Marysville, WA

iTrader: (0)

Yes, but at a lower rate...there's no way BMW NA is going to pay local shop rates. BMW stealerships get to screw the customers, not the other way around.

If they're replacing the seals, what are you opening a case about? I've never had a CPO vehicle so I'm not sure how the whole process works. I've called BMW NA once about my injectors, they turned a def ear and acted like they knew nothing about the issue when I mentioned it's an N54 issue and we used the same ones...a month later the warranty replacement offer came out.

Reading this right now: http://www.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1067620
__________________
'10 BMW X5///M - Alpine White on Sakhir Orange - JB4 w/ HCP Stage 2 BEF, NGK 97506 @ .20, SS tubing & BMC filters, gutted cats, AC Forged 312 22's, H&R 2"
'98 BMW 740iL - ///E39 M5 6spd swap, fully built engine (sleeved, P&P, cams), 3.46 LSD, H&R Stage 2/Bilstein HD, Magnaflow 14816's
'97 BMW 328ci - ///E36 M3 clutch & L/W flywheel, Z4///M 18's
Appreciate 0
      10-03-2017, 06:17 PM   #17
Naz24
Lieutenant Colonel
Naz24's Avatar
United_States
1628
Rep
1,727
Posts

Drives: W205 AMG C63 / E70 X5M
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: North/Central NJ

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by m5james View Post
Yes, but at a lower rate...there's no way BMW NA is going to pay local shop rates. BMW stealerships get to screw the customers, not the other way around.

If they're replacing the seals, what are you opening a case about? I've never had a CPO vehicle so I'm not sure how the whole process works. I've called BMW NA once about my injectors, they turned a def ear and acted like they knew nothing about the issue when I mentioned it's an N54 issue and we used the same ones...a month later the warranty replacement offer came out.
You do bring up a good point. As of now, they are only replacing the RMS, he never got back to me on the vacuum pump.

Is the talk that it could be "the normal smell of the cats" total bullsh*t? is is possible for these cars to have a smell to them thats normal due to the high heat?
__________________

2017 C63
2012 X5M
SOLD: 2015 M3; 2007 X3 M Sport; 2014 X3 M Sport 35i; 2004 X5 4.4i; 1994 325i
Appreciate 0
      10-03-2017, 06:22 PM   #18
m5james
Colonel
m5james's Avatar
United_States
429
Rep
2,062
Posts

Drives: '10 X5M Alpine White on Sakhir
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Marysville, WA

iTrader: (0)

I guess wait and see if it's leaking, but something has to be dripping, melting, etc near, on or around the exhaust to be causing that smell. I'd imagine a leaking RMS is only going to leave a puddle in your garage...unless the weeping is coming outta the transmission and flinging backwards onto some parts of the exhaust.

Unless you have no cats, your exhaust shouldn't smell different than any other car.
__________________
'10 BMW X5///M - Alpine White on Sakhir Orange - JB4 w/ HCP Stage 2 BEF, NGK 97506 @ .20, SS tubing & BMC filters, gutted cats, AC Forged 312 22's, H&R 2"
'98 BMW 740iL - ///E39 M5 6spd swap, fully built engine (sleeved, P&P, cams), 3.46 LSD, H&R Stage 2/Bilstein HD, Magnaflow 14816's
'97 BMW 328ci - ///E36 M3 clutch & L/W flywheel, Z4///M 18's
Appreciate 0
      10-04-2017, 08:34 AM   #19
Naz24
Lieutenant Colonel
Naz24's Avatar
United_States
1628
Rep
1,727
Posts

Drives: W205 AMG C63 / E70 X5M
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: North/Central NJ

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by m5james View Post
I guess wait and see if it's leaking, but something has to be dripping, melting, etc near, on or around the exhaust to be causing that smell. I'd imagine a leaking RMS is only going to leave a puddle in your garage...unless the weeping is coming outta the transmission and flinging backwards onto some parts of the exhaust.

Unless you have no cats, your exhaust shouldn't smell different than any other car.
Well at a minimum, i am happy this is very well documented at BMW, could help me with a good will repair later down the road.

Unfortunately, i'm not as mechanically inclined to start tearing this thing up myself as you are!

Thanks for the help, all good info
__________________

2017 C63
2012 X5M
SOLD: 2015 M3; 2007 X3 M Sport; 2014 X3 M Sport 35i; 2004 X5 4.4i; 1994 325i
Appreciate 0
      12-07-2017, 04:11 PM   #20
HollywoodsX5M
Private
HollywoodsX5M's Avatar
12
Rep
70
Posts

Drives: 10 X5M
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Tucson,AZ

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Naz24 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by m5james View Post
I guess wait and see if it's leaking, but something has to be dripping, melting, etc near, on or around the exhaust to be causing that smell. I'd imagine a leaking RMS is only going to leave a puddle in your garage...unless the weeping is coming outta the transmission and flinging backwards onto some parts of the exhaust.

Unless you have no cats, your exhaust shouldn't smell different than any other car.
Well at a minimum, i am happy this is very well documented at BMW, could help me with a good will repair later down the road.

Unfortunately, i'm not as mechanically inclined to start tearing this thing up myself as you are!

Thanks for the help, all good info
I know I'm 2 months late, but I had the same thing happen. Burning smell and all. I took it in and there was an oil leak so the dealer replaced the vac pump.. as my car was in the shop I payed epoxy in my garage nice and pretty.... then I pick her up and big bill of coarse then went home and the next morning .. more damn oil... the tech says oh it's coming from the valve cover 1500-2000$ to do..... I said uuummmm no!!! I don't call a repair man to fix my broken fridge then pay them again because they goose chased a problem. Well all said and done they replaced vacuum pump($2285) oil return cover($3360) and they did the valve cover on there dime not including military discount...
Appreciate 0
      10-01-2018, 06:47 PM   #21
X5ervson
Registered
0
Rep
4
Posts

Drives: in the process of buying
Join Date: May 2018
Location: de

iTrader: (0)

I’m having a similar prob but I’m also wondering if this is normal ??? But I did have the truck in to get inspected for the smell as well as an idling issue ... the idling issue is fixed and the smell is better prior to the work they did it def seem more strong and I could smell it more often ... now it’s more faint and I smell it now and then to the point I’m wondering if I’m start to exaggerate the situation???? But recently I had someone with me and they just randomly said they smelled something burning ... and so far they replaced the valve covers

Hollywoodsx5 what were your results ??
Appreciate 0
      10-02-2018, 08:21 AM   #22
Naz24
Lieutenant Colonel
Naz24's Avatar
United_States
1628
Rep
1,727
Posts

Drives: W205 AMG C63 / E70 X5M
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: North/Central NJ

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by X5ervson View Post
I’m having a similar prob but I’m also wondering if this is normal ??? But I did have the truck in to get inspected for the smell as well as an idling issue ... the idling issue is fixed and the smell is better prior to the work they did it def seem more strong and I could smell it more often ... now it’s more faint and I smell it now and then to the point I’m wondering if I’m start to exaggerate the situation???? But recently I had someone with me and they just randomly said they smelled something burning ... and so far they replaced the valve covers

Hollywoodsx5 what were your results ??
Mine went away once i replaced the engine partitions actually. The more then take them apart, the weaker they get. So it makes sense that after a repair, it gets stronger
__________________

2017 C63
2012 X5M
SOLD: 2015 M3; 2007 X3 M Sport; 2014 X3 M Sport 35i; 2004 X5 4.4i; 1994 325i
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:10 AM.




xbimmers
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST