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      06-05-2014, 12:32 PM   #23
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Also on my M I couldn't use the Macht Schnell module. My truck doesn't have a standalone EDC module like the m3. It's controlled by a different module that control the swaybars as well.
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Yes. KWV3 eliminates the EDC. The version with the eliminator is to prevent codes and error messages. The version without is for those vehicles that don't have EDC, don't care about errors, are are using another EDC eliminator.
Thanks for the info. So if I wanted to go cheaper, would using the eliminator without the new suspension help?
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Also on my M I couldn't use the Macht Schnell module. My truck doesn't have a standalone EDC module like the m3. It's controlled by a different module that control the swaybars as well.
Would it work on mine though? Mine is not an M model just the "sport" model with EDC.
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Also on my M I couldn't use the Macht Schnell module. My truck doesn't have a standalone EDC module like the m3. It's controlled by a different module that control the swaybars as well.
Would it work on mine though? Mine is not an M model just the "sport" model with EDC.
Don't think so. I'm pretty sure it affects all e70's. This is the source of my information:http://www.bmwmotorsports.org/pdf/e7...%20Systems.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://www.bmwmotors...ystems.pdf</a>
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bmwmotorsports.org/pdf/e70/04c_E70%20Vertical%20Dynamics%20Systems.pdf
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Also on my M I couldn't use the Macht Schnell module. My truck doesn't have a standalone EDC module like the m3. It's controlled by a different module that control the swaybars as well.
That is definietly good information to know. So to eliminate the shock error only KW's modules or coding will work.

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Would it work on mine though? Mine is not an M model just the "sport" model with EDC.
I personally don't think so though I could be wrong here. The Electronic Damper Control and Active Swaybars are different systems that work together. All the KW EDC modules do are tell the car there are active shocks present by giving the appropriate electronic resistance. Your Active Swaybars failing would be a different check and still result in an error, though it could result in a general edc error. Kind of how a check engine light is a general error that could mean any number of specific things.

What does your specific error say?
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That is definietly good information to know. So to eliminate the shock error only KW's modules or coding will work.



I personally don't think so though I could be wrong here. The Electronic Damper Control and Active Swaybars are different systems that work together. All the KW EDC modules do are tell the car there are active shocks present by giving the appropriate electronic resistance. Your Active Swaybars failing would be a different check and still result in an error, though it could result in a general edc error. Kind of how a check engine light is a general error that could mean any number of specific things.

What does your specific error say?

This is what is on the nav screen and then there is the small shock logo on the dash. This is from the internet on an M3 but it's pretty much the same.
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That is definietly good information to know. So to eliminate the shock error only KW's modules or coding will work.
I'm not too sure if it can be coded out without retaining the individual EDC boxes at each shock. They are required to be present for the VDC (Vehicle Dynamics Module) to operate with no errors. In simpler terms the M3 has 1 EDC module in the trunk that communicates with the shocks. On the E70 they moved the EDC module to each shock, and intergraded it with a VDC module. This is the first time it has been done. I tried several experienced coders and they could only code out EDC shocks if those boxes stayed connected. So at the end of the day, you still need to cut the wire to separate the shock from the individual EDC boxes, this is what I was trying to avoid...
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This is what is on the nav screen and then there is the small shock logo on the dash. This is from the internet on an M3 but it's pretty much the same.
Since its a shock logo on the error, maybe if you get underneath and unplug the sways bar motors a different error would come up. If not it could be general error like M3 Guy said above, or the dealer misdiagnosed? A second opinion wont be a bad idea IMO. Has anyone had swaybar specific errors in the past?
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Since its a shock logo on the error, maybe if you get underneath and unplug the sways bar motors a different error would come up. If not it could be general error like M3 Guy said above, or the dealer misdiagnosed? A second opinion wont be a bad idea IMO. Has anyone had swaybar specific errors in the past?
What would cutting the EDC mudules from the shock do overall? I really don't need the EDC, just a standard shock setup would be fine for me so I'm hoping to find a cheaper alternative to get the vehicle working ok. It's pretty rough with the error. They said it was not a necessary fix (won't damage anything), but the X5 goes to the roughest settings with the code tripped.
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What would cutting the EDC mudules from the shock do overall? I really don't need the EDC, just a standard shock setup would be fine for me so I'm hoping to find a cheaper alternative to get the vehicle working ok. It's pretty rough with the error. They said it was not a necessary fix (won't damage anything), but the X5 goes to the roughest settings with the code tripped.
You would only cut them if you were installing KW coilovers. They are required to be transferred to the new shocks for their EDC delete to work.
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I'm not too sure if it can be coded out without retaining the individual EDC boxes at each shock. They are required to be present for the VDC (Vehicle Dynamics Module) to operate with no errors. In simpler terms the M3 has 1 EDC module in the trunk that communicates with the shocks. On the E70 they moved the EDC module to each shock, and intergraded it with a VDC module. This is the first time it has been done. I tried several experienced coders and they could only code out EDC shocks if those boxes stayed connected. So at the end of the day, you still need to cut the wire to separate the shock from the individual EDC boxes, this is what I was trying to avoid...
That is indeed a bummer. Would have been cool if there was a no cut option. Thanks for posting as that is one more thing we can put to rest on here.


Also apologies to the op for all of this. We tend to get sidetracked easily around here.
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That is indeed a bummer. Would have been cool if there was a no cut option. Thanks for posting as that is one more thing we can put to rest on here.


Also apologies to the op for all of this. We tend to get sidetracked easily around here.
Ya that's my bad I guess. So bottomline...just get it fixed after a second opinion? Thanks everyone for the input.
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Would you be able to put the V3 on a x5 with air suspension?
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