Hidden radar detectors what's your opinion

[artrosis]

Originally Posted by teagueAMX

Occasionally, when I drive out the desert areas or do a long stretch on I-5, I might speed – say 80 on a 70 mph rated road. But for the most part I don’t speed excessively, and by that I mean no more than 5 – 9 over the posted limit. Up until the last couple of years, I was ticket free from 1979+/- up until 2002 or 2003.

The change was that I moved from Northern California down to a small Southern California town with extraordinarily low posted residential speed traps. Didn’t know that when I moved there, but while attending city council meetings it came out they were making up for budget deficits. Even though I normally have a lot of respect for law enforcement, I have to say our traffic cops are “very” aggressive. This approach angers me because of the negative impact to people’s lives first by fines, then by increasing insurance premiums. IMHO that is not the way communities should treat their citizens.

I’m not sure if our cops use radar or lasers. I’ll need to verify what the laws are before making a move one way or the other. I’d be curious to find our exactly how the laws are written.

I know what you mean. Ticketing and fining a person is not a way to teach someone not to do something. It only worsens the situation and is essentially the same as stealing money out of your pocket. It is a corrupt system used to generate revenue. its a smart and bad way to do it. I cant just miraculously create a way to generate money and force people to pay and enforce consequences. Its a bully system, you dont pay, they harm you somehow be it financially, probation, confiscation of your property or jail time. This is how a government becomes corrupt, hiding behind a slogan of "to serve & protect." Alterior motives provide a cloud of laws and large words masking the simplicity that lies beyond the complex process and barriers that have been constructed to hide the core of problems. The law itself obstructs justice. Some schmuck gets to make decisions for you that affect your life, fuck that. You are following the lifestyle of laws that somebody else has created for you. You are living in another mans world and not your own.

In most middle eastern countries they dont do a lot of traffic stops, they just put up speeding cameras everywhere. You can hit 3 speeding cameras in a 5 mile stretch on the highway its ridiculous.

It went from trying to prevent citizens from speeding to profiteering a long time ago. Surely you can go to your city council or find the traffic laws online. If anyone considers you suspicious or curious as to why you want to know the laws of your county/state, then they are no different than someone trying to suppress knowledge. It is your right to know just as much about the traffic laws as the cops do. Any attempt to stop you from getting that information or any road blocks people put up is sheer laziness and failure to do their job if they are a paid public servant.

You should be able to get the information freely and without anyone trying to hamper or slow down the process for you. I encourage you to become familiar with your traffic laws not only so you can find loopholes or exploits but to educate you better so if you get pulled over you will know the Police Officer is acting in good faith.

I think the speeds in the states are ridiculous. We need an Autobahn. We are supposed to be the most advanded country in the world and the speed limit on most of I-5 is 55 to 60 mph. This is a diaper changing baby treatment style approach to policing citizens. If you dont condition your country to drive at a faster speed on the highway, it breeds a passive lifestyle and does not allow the beast from within to escape. A slow driving mentality is not high speed in the sense of performance. You cant expect people to be able to continue to pump out modern marvels, create ingenuities & be at the cutting edge when there government has not and will not catch up.

It is a strict refusal on the part of the government, to try and gauge your progress in life. Like a speed limit, they prevent the acceleration into space. We waste all kinds of time fighting on this planet. We need to nuke and total domination and annihilation of anyone that doesnt want to be on our team. I want it so that we are driving cars around the perimeter of the planet. We will start out creating installations off planet yet just enough in orbit of the earth. We will create a highway between the Moon and the earth and start shuttling supplies back and forth. We wil build battle stations on the moon to protect our planet and fire at incoming enemies like the patriot missile system but on a larger scale.

I want to create technology and not have people tell me there not ready for it yet. lets figure out how the fuck to make Mars work for habitation. We have got to move off of this planet and into the solar system. I want to be driving a BMW Space Wagon in my lifetime. Im getting fucking old and I'm tired of this bullshit here on earth. Please, lets take the opportunity to advance our civilization and start focusing on conquering other planets. We are ultimately going to have to fight other life forms, enslave solar races and rape planets eco systems. I was born ready to man a space ship and search for other planets and life forms. If we cant convince our government to get past low level speed limits how and the fuck are we going to be able to do all that without them trying to find ways to slow us down, prevent us or limit what we can and cant do. The fucking problem is government they are hindering our ability to advance and become more sophisticated, wise & knowledgable.

The lifestyle in the states is aimed at keeping you in a state of suppression. They justify this by calling it order and use the word "safety" to ratonalize these thought processes. When you cannot have someone competantly argue why we need the ability to speed and have faster highways, they easily get beaten down by conservative muzzle loading beaurocrats that want to keep what they consider the best choice for the country. They act as if they care and are concerned about Americans, but none of their laws and policies affect me beneficially. They are caring and looking after a majority that I am not a part of yet I feel I represent and make up a bulk of the attitude of the nation. They speak on my behalf without my authority.

I want increased speed limits in the states and a system similar to the Autobahn. Vehicles have changed over the last 30 to 40 years to go faster and be safer. The speed laws have not changed to reflect the safety and security the cars can provide. With the types of safety features we are seeing now, you could safely sustain speeds of 150+ on the highway but I am only asking for permission to do 100+ mph because it is boring to sit there I feel like I am not even moving at 70 mph. I am conditioned from many years of living overseas to driving fast and defensively.

The cars have been designed, modernized and updated but the system of laws has not. This is a direct result of poor political insight and lack of funding towards the campain to fix the interstate and highway speed limits. Theres enough money for the booze and tobacco legislature to get whatever the fuck they want why arent more people pursuing higher speed limits aggressively. I am more concerned about shaving 2 hours off my trip because I can drive faster, than I am about funding some ghetto ass dump that never contributed to society anyway.

The money needs to be re-routed towards the goals and personal freedoms that we actually want. Our political backing gets too wrapped up in trying to help low income out through punishing middle and upper class to try and equalize things in a communistic manner; that they forget and dont care to address the middle class concerns and worries like speeding. This is my concern, I'm not bithcing about not having a roof over my head or not being able to afford food, listen to my needs, I need a higher speed limit. Call it selfish or whatever you want, but my needs are a little different in life. I dont need government handouts and I am not the one saying that the government should provide for me.

I busted my ass over the years and noone offered me a free scholarship or tuition assistance, my single mother raised 2 kids on her own on a low salary and sent herself through full time university in the process while she worked 6-5. I am not using the fact that I wasnt eligable for FAFSA because my mother made too much money for me to qualify and I am certainly not complaining that my mother couldnt afford to send me to college so I joined the Military. I wasnt eligable for any type of tuition assistance simply because the laws, funding and support is not directed towards families that are just above the cutoff to qualify for low income.

No, I busted my ass and earned what I have the hard way; yet the vision of the hard way is completely misinterpreted, versed and worded to aid lazy people and give them the upper hand so people like myself are placed in the gray area to struggle on our own. The government of a hard life is matched automatically with people who are less financially sound. I have a fucking hard life too even though I am doing well for myself. When you go unaided your whole life, because of a financial technicality it makes things real clear that the goal of this nation is to only send aid and support for people based on race and lack of net worth. The real people who are struggling is the middle class, because they dont have as many routes to fall back on as a rich persons wealth and they go unaided by the federal government because they are slightly above being considered poor but they are not rich enough to prevent them from having a spoiled life. We are trapped with working and making up the bulk of society, yet our issues and true requests are seldom resolved in a timely matter. They are hampered by years on political nonsense.

If you cant understand what Im talking about its okay, this wont fit into everyones program. I dont think like you I want a different lifestyle that will never be achieved in the next 50 years. I was born about 500 years too early. So when I ask for better traffic laws, higher speed limits and investment in an autobahn style road, I should get what I fucking want, because I was not a fucking free loader on this society and I have not disadvantaged or inconvenienced tax payers or been a cancerous lesion to the US.

[teagueAMX]

Although I want a higher speed limit, and even though I totally agree with you that our modern cars are fully capable of safely sustaining speeds of 100+, it is an unfortunate fact that it could be quite dangerous in the US.

Here's what I'm saying. Our road and highway system within the US on average is quite good. It doesn't measure up to unlimited speed autobahn standards, nor do we meticulously maintain our roads in the same manner as the Germans maintain their autobahn. Regardless, I think for the most part 100 mph average is completely sustainable.

The problem is the other drivers on the road. Never been to Germany but have watched a number of television programs about the autobahn, including History Chanel (i.e., WWII construction of the autobahn) and cable info type shows. There was an excellent program about 8-12 months ago specifically about the autobahn. The point is this: it's a lot more difficult and more expensive to get a driver’s license in Europe – they don’t hand them out like candy like they do here in the US.

1st there's school and passing a test: you have pony up some bucks to go to school, and then pass a rigorous test. Seems if I remember correctly it’s a few hundred dollars at least by the time it’s all said and done. That process alone weeds out the marginal “I’m alive (see I’m breathing) so give me driver’s license” people who really have no business piloting a motor vehicle.

2nd, the traffic laws are more strictly enforced in Europe. When was the last time you heard of the cops routinely ticketed people for driving too slow in the center lane, failure to allow a faster driver to pass, or for failure to move from the center lane to middle or far right lanes? Not in my lifetime. About 20 years ago my goofball neighbor got cited for driving too slow after he caused a major freeway traffic accident. He had a flat tire but instead of pulling over, he limped along at 5 mph. A guy came along and rammed the shit out of his car, totaling both cars. The 2nd driver went to the hospital with severe injuries. I got sick of listening to the dipstick complain about that guy that hit him.

People in the US seem to think they have a God given right or responsibility to singlehandedly hold own freeway speeds. I don’t know how many time I nearly gnawed off my own hand because some self righteous a** felt obligated that morning to hold down freeway speeds to a safe and sane 65 mph. The other scenario is the person who drives only 55 mph on a 70 mph freeway, but doesn’t like driving in the slow lane because of trucks or having to slow down for people exiting the freeway or merging on.

So even though in principle I agree with you, we should be able to drive faster, with the exception of a few places like Nevada, Montana, Wyoming, etc., it’s not safe or practical in the US.

That part you said about taking over the Moon – now that has potential.

[rleestma]

IMHO, going with an Escort or a Valentine is simply not enough. I put a Beltronics hard-wired detector in my X6 M. I have a sensor in the front air intake and a sensor on the license plate holder. It detects radar so well I can detect a cop around a corner from over 1/2 mile away. It also jams Laser.

I drive fast enough that I need room to slow down safely, and with the Beltronics I can essentially do what I want. The only down-side is cost, about $2000 installed as it's a professionally installed item (sensors, in-vehicle read-out, speaker, function button, LED, etc.), but the way I look at it it's worth it to use a fine vehicle to it's potential without being afraid of the po-po.

My .02

Ryan

[teagueAMX]

Originally Posted by rleestma

IMHO, going with an Escort or a Valentine is simply not enough. I put a Beltronics hard-wired detector in my X6 M. I have a sensor in the front air intake and a sensor on the license plate holder. It detects radar so well I can detect a cop around a corner from over 1/2 mile away. It also jams Laser.

I drive fast enough that I need room to slow down safely, and with the Beltronics I can essentially do what I want. The only down-side is cost, about $2000 installed as it's a professionally installed item (sensors, in-vehicle read-out, speaker, function button, LED, etc.), but the way I look at it it's worth it to use a fine vehicle to it's potential without being afraid of the po-po.

My .02

Ryan

I looked at their site. Where did you mount your remote? Do you find it to a bit sensitive?

Do you find that most cops use radar or lasers?

[artrosis]

What about using a switch that disables your brake lights. Then you can slam on the brakes hard and enable the switch once your speed slows down to make it less obvious that you are braking hard from speeding.

[freshwhite335]

Originally Posted by rleestma

IMHO, going with an Escort or a Valentine is simply not enough. I put a Beltronics hard-wired detector in my X6 M. I have a sensor in the front air intake and a sensor on the license plate holder. It detects radar so well I can detect a cop around a corner from over 1/2 mile away. It also jams Laser.

I drive fast enough that I need room to slow down safely, and with the Beltronics I can essentially do what I want. The only down-side is cost, about $2000 installed as it's a professionally installed item (sensors, in-vehicle read-out, speaker, function button, LED, etc.), but the way I look at it it's worth it to use a fine vehicle to it's potential without being afraid of the po-po.

My .02

Ryan

If you paid $2000 installed for the Bel Sti-R you, no offense, got taken for a ride. For that kind of money, yes even with install, you could have gotten the 9500ci which includes GPS and laser a 3-head laser jamming system. Also, the "sensor" you speak of on the back is not for radar, it is only a laser detector. The only radar detector on that unit is the one I'm assuming you put in your X6's air dam.

Refer to the Bel listing for reference
https://www.beltronics.com/store/rx75-remote.html

[NYCGarbagePrince]

Originally Posted by artrosis

Has anyone experienced this or know info about it. If I was the Officer trying to catch you on radar and you were obviously speeding and my detector wasnt acting right, I would pull you over anyways and search your car for probable cause.

While you are absolutely right about a cop feeling the need to pull someone over anyway and search it for a jammer. The cop needs to find probable cause to conduct a legal search. Not the other way around. Him not being able to get a reading on your car is not good enough. Laser/Radar guns are not 100% accurate, and there are laws that mandate the cop to calibrate and log the time he conducted the calibration of his speed detecting device. This is done very often, because of the inconsistency of these devices. So truthfully, having a jammer send a signal back to the cop with a poor reading is not a good enough reason to search the vehicle and any traffic court attorney will have a field day with a cop who does so.

This is the beauty of our legal system.

[teagueAMX]

Originally Posted by NYCGarbagePrince

This is the beauty of our legal system.

Beauty?! you meant to say fugly, right? . . . unless you we're talking about money in an attorney's pocket, then I would understand your comment.

Back on topic, I saw a vid that was a couple of years old where the laser jammer caused an error on the laser unit and the cop suspected something. I wondering if that's even accurate anymore, because I'm sure the tek has changed since then?

[NYCGarbagePrince]

Originally Posted by teagueAMX

Beauty?! you meant to say fugly, right? . . . unless you we're talking about money in an attorney's pocket, then I would understand your comment.

Back on topic, I saw a vid that was a couple of years old where the laser jammer caused an error on the laser unit and the cop suspected something. I wondering if that's even accurate anymore, because I'm sure the tek has changed since then?

If it wasn't for lawyers... we wouldn't need lawyers.

[teagueAMX]

Originally Posted by NYCGarbagePrince

If it wasn't for lawyers... we wouldn't need lawyers.

LOL

Ok, so I suppose if you're a lawyer, that's a complement to lawyers.

And if you're not, then. . .

[Mich M]

My husband had this on his S55 AMG...saved him on a lot of tickets!!!

[dmlgc]

Originally Posted by NYCGarbagePrince

If it wasn't for lawyers... we wouldn't need lawyers.

Yes and those that can't make it as lawyers become politicians and pass more laws so we need more lawyers.

[dmlgc]

Originally Posted by Mich M

My husband had this on his S55 AMG...saved him on a lot of tickets!!!

the V1 or escort ?