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05-20-2018, 06:45 AM | #1 | |
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Tesla Model 3 Performance: 3.5s 0-60, 155MPH top speed, 310mi range, $78k
https://electrek.co/2018/05/20/tesla...ance-versions/
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https://www.engadget.com/2018/05/20/...or-tesla-musk/
Well if you believe this guy, the new AWD Model 3 will be better than an M3! To be specific: "15% quicker and with better handling". Ok, I don't even know where to start with this comparison. If the pricepoint was $50k it might be a worthwhile discussion, but the Model 3 offers so much less starting from the cookie-cutter design to virtually everything else. Will look forward to the reviews when this hits the street. If they truly were aiming at the M3, it is a little comical given that the current gen M3 is at its EOL and still handily beats this Model 3. Better luck next time, Tesla.
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05-20-2018, 08:28 AM | #3 | |
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The $78k pricetag is definitely eye watering. It does at least include the $9000 long range battery (hence the 310mi range) and $5000 Premium Upgrade Package. So in the future, they can lower the base price by $5k if they choose, but they probably won’t ever allow the performance model to be ordered without the long range battery. |
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Tesla Model 3 Faster Than M3?
Elon Musk is claiming the Model 3 performance model will be 15% faster than the M3 and will beat anything in it's class on the track. I highly doubt it can consistently do it lap after lap without cooking it's brakes. Thoughts? Anyone interested in a Model 3 if it's faster than a M3?
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All of the Tesla models benefit from having instant on torque and in general very quick acceleration. Also with less moving parts, I would guess the result of running hard, much more reliable. But, the model 3 was not designed for track days. I bet with some bigger brakes and suspension though, the Tesla would probably have the advantage. I like the idea and the future of companies investing in electric designs, but still feel for the time being, there is more of a appliance feel than actual road connection like you can get with a M4 or something more sport based that runs on petrol. This is based off of what I've read.... Self admittedly, I have never driven one. I do wonder if the long term affects on battery production and disposal will also have negative consequences on the environment as these designs continue to take off. It also will be interesting to see the replacement cost of the battery cells. Either way, it seems electric vehicles are here to stay and from what I can tell, the market and overall interest in "sports" cars is quickly disappearing.
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05-20-2018, 12:25 PM | #11 |
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i'm keeping an open mind. let's see if he can back up his talk.
sadly, the one thing he won't be able to fix for this generation of Model 3 are the godawful looks. |
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But the horrendous interior and Musk's big mouth keep me from being a fan. |
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05-20-2018, 01:17 PM | #13 |
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Maybe BMW can lend Tesla their Active Sound Design expertise and make it sound like a N55 M2. I mean best sounding BMW ever right
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05-20-2018, 01:38 PM | #14 |
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He's right.
Read his words. "In its class". Name me another car that's all electric, that size and that price range. It's a class of exactly 1. |
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Sedan Wars. Musk thinks big, it's no surprise he wants to build an M3 competitor. Straight line speed is one thing but great track handling is a different beast.
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05-20-2018, 02:34 PM | #16 | |
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If you can only have 1 car to do it all, m3 is my pick due to the ability to track it. But if you can have 2 cars, I think these fast electrics paired with an all out gas sports car is the way to go. My dream setup is a self driving electric SUV that can self drive me to the track with a race car in tow, so I can catch some zzzzz, outsource the 4hr drive to some tracks, and minimize staying at the crap hotels at said tracks (in favor of car camping in the paddock using said SUV) Anyway, I'm super interested in these performance electrics. It will be way easier to blast through slow moving traffic under the radar without the exhaust noise or tire squealing drama of launching a high power rwd gas car at stop lights |
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Most Teslas use Brembo brakes. This Perf Model 3 will most likely have the same. Battery wasn't the weakest link either. Motor housing was. Regen from dual motor will offset the brake use. Low COG + AWD will make this car a bullet on the track. I bet Musk took current M3 and ran it against Model 3. He's probably aware of the outcome, so he tweets Last edited by AndreyATC; 05-20-2018 at 03:15 PM.. |
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05-20-2018, 03:10 PM | #18 | |
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Also... so the Model 3 may be 3.5s in 2018 but by the time the first G8x rolls of the production line in 2021, the Model 3 AWD Performance model may have shaved it's 0-60 down to the low 3's in which case the G8x likely still lags and in "ludicrous mode" it may be no contest. So Musk is not "misguided." On the contrary, I think what he's doing is great. He's forcing BMW/MB to up their game. Frankly, I think it'll be tough for the base G8x to beat 3.5s, especially without AWD. We'll see but Musk is putting the pressure on and more competition is good for consumers. |
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However, we can say for the sake of argument that it will be in production sometime this year (supposed to be July - we shall see). But that’s not the same as being “readily available”, which is what I said. Unless you are on the wait list already, it will not be readily available to you this year. Quote:
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Also, I absolutely agree that what Musk is doing is ultimately a good thing. I am a fan of electric vehicles and will definitely buy one sometime in the next 15 years. Could be sooner than later, who knows? I don’t think much of the fact that Elon makes promises about availability timelines that he isn’t consistently able to keep, but whatever. I don’t have to like the guy’s approach to appreciate the results. |
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It was never meant for the track, seems stupid to run 5000lb car in that environment. But it doesnt have issues with brakes Model 3, regular, was just tested by a few owners. No motor or battery concerns, just crappy brakes on non-performance car. Perf. Model 3 should hold its own. But we shall see when it comes out. If it's advertised as a trackable car, that sounds promising, that's all |
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Tesla throwing shade
Dear BMW and M3 owners, Tesla is throwing shade at the M3 saying that the performance version of Model 3 will be faster, better handling, and in price range. How do you respond? Sometimes its best when you dont validate claims which are false/exaggerated, etc, but is this one worth BMW going back at? Certainly would make things interesting
Here is Elon's statement: Cost of all options, wheels, paint, etc is included (apart from Autopilot). Cost is $78k. About same as BMW M3, but 15% quicker & with better handling. Will beat anything in its class on the track. |
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