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What is really going on at Ford is hard to understand. It always seems like they are about a "generation behind" what Chevrolet is doing. When the GT350 came out, it appeared to be aimed at the old ZL-1, and of course for a car at the end of it's life-cycle, it wasn't too hard to best that, but right away the new Camaro SS was far beyond the stock Mustang GT and the 1LE that came out shortly thereafter is faster than the GT350 and matches the GT350R in many cases, all this with a backseat and creature comforts. You can't even mention the current ZL-1 or ZL-1 1LE in the same sentence, since those are so far beyond the capability of the GT350, and we haven't even started talking about Corvettes. It's not that the GT350 and R are "bad", it's just that they are more what Ford should have been offering as the "halo" Mustang back in 2011, and now you have SS 1LEs, ZL-1 1LEs, Z06s, Grand Sports, and so on, with massive amounts of performance and drive-ability, all engineered to be the "total car", in terms of suspension, engine, components, etc. Of course, Ford is doing things like hot-hatches and kind of running the show with the Raptor, and I'm sure there's a lot more money to be made in trucks and SUVs, so Ford is smart to put the money where it will pay off, but on the other hand, they don't really appear to leverage their engineering, know-how and production for performance cars very much. At the most, they seem to lag far behind for all-around performance, somewhere in the "middle-ground" between the straight-line performance of Chrysler/Dodge and what Chevy is doing, but Chevy is doing it all with straight line and handling, so it kind of leaves Ford in a "no-man's land". I did look fairly hard at the GT350s, but I couldn't justify the price for what you get performance-wise. Again, I think Mustangs overall are where they should have been back in 2010-2011. You can get GTs cheaper than SSs, but they are more stripped out too interior wise and component wise, so you aren't really making out. It's basically correct that the M3 is just a bolt-on sedan. To some extent, this will limit what the chassis is capable of, but with enough bolt-on and smart engineering you can produce a chassis that is capable of some high performance at high specs (like the Alpha). It won't be as fast as something completely optimized like McLaren to use an extreme example, but the mustang *should* have been designed from the onset to be able to take crazy-wide tires, put the power down, have the chassis stiffness, etc., to take it to those higher levels. It almost seems more like Chevrolet says "why not?", and they spec things like 305, 325 tires, and generally make aggressive specs/performance that the other major (and even foreign) auto makers are too conservative for.
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05-14-2018, 11:59 PM | #47 | |
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That’s because you’re in Texas, where you have easy access to all the oil your car can drink. |
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What does it think it is, a rotary?!
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I find it hard to understand the "practicality" argument of an m4 vs c7. The c7 has massive trunk space (almost the size of a hatch) and every two door car I have ever owned had a backseat that was obnoxious to ask an adult to sit in. If you need the backseat for practicality then get an M3. If you like the two door look, then get an m4 but the practicality argument is just ridiculous.
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05-15-2018, 02:49 PM | #52 | |
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So, here’s the real question: If you have to add 20 quarts of oil in 10,000 miles, haven’t you already changed the oil? |
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I would not buy the GT350
Read here: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...pdate-2-review Key portion here: Since our last update, the 5.2-liter Voodoo V-8 has developed a thirst for 5W-50 synthetic oil. Over the past 11,800 miles, the high-revving engine has consumed 8.5 quarts. There are no leaks, so we can only assume that it’s exiting the quad tailpipes. If this were the ’80s, this might be acceptable, but it’s 2018 and oil depletion has become a rarity. Ford has released a supplement to the owner’s manual regarding oil consumption, stating that the engine could drink up to one quart every 500 miles under “extended time at high engine speeds, high loads, engine braking, hard cornering maneuvers, and track use.” Our car, however—excepting the odd mountain run and back-road blast, of course—has spent most of its life on freeways. |
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With the loose tolerances on the high-revving GT350 engine, it’s inevitable that some oil will sneak past the rings and other parts and get burned up by the converters. I just can’t imagine owning a car where you have to stop more often for oil than for gas.
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thats wild! I'm surprised there has not been a lawsuit yet. If its that bad I wouldnt even bother an oil change
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This thread went GT350 hating real fast. No surprise from a bunch of BMW fans. Build quality wise Ford will never be anything super amazing; however, the GT350 is still a really cool car and sounds absolutely amazing. To each their own. I went with a 2012 ZR1 personally and it sounds unreal and walks all over other cars on and off the track. That would be my choice once again.
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True. Doesn't take much for one poor experience to leave someone salty as hell, lol. Took me years and years to go the BMW route. All I heard was people complaining about maintenance.
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Just to be clear, i'm not saying it can't be done. I'm just saying that I wouldn't do it, doesn't mean that you or anyone else shouldn't though. |
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I considered and passed on both.
The build quality overall, not just interior is really subpar imo. Get the M4 CompPack and put a Mperf exhaust and a tune. You will be MUCH happier. |
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Overall the interior of Corvette is OK for a Corvette but it is much worse than M3/4 or most cars that cost over $70k. |
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