Opinion - BMS JB4 or RaceChip Ultimate

v0lume · 07-06-2015, 04:27 PM

I spent a good couple of hours last night researching the Burger JB4 or RaceChip Ultimate and I just can't work out what to go for. I have a 2011 xDrive 35i and what a plug and play with not much fuss - I can find dyne results for the Burger JB4 but not much info on the RaceChip.

I have had three Burger Motorsport piggybacks so know that are good, just looking at other options before I commit.

Has anyone fitted a RaceChip to their 35i?

Draper · 07-06-2015, 07:10 PM

Burger has a bigger community following. I'd go that route.

socale39 · 07-06-2015, 08:14 PM

I think you answered your own question, Burger.

Doc GTO · 07-06-2015, 08:41 PM

I like Burger. You can send Terry an email and he responds back usually same day with any answer to any questions.

mitch808 · 07-06-2015, 09:57 PM

Cobb accessport if it applies to your year

omgboost · 07-07-2015, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by mitch808

Cobb accessport if it applies to your year

I have the BMS and am looking into the Cobb. I think the Cobb is much better than the BMS as you can run different settings on the Cobb. The Cobb only supports up to 2011 and maybe some early 2012s but I haven't tried yet.

mitch808 · 07-07-2015, 03:36 PM

You have to give your VIN to them to verify. It's not so much year, but more so build dates. Josh@ Cobb is your man to help you with that. I think he's in Austin TX.

I've had mine installed near a year at this point, running a stage 1+ map. Works great.

TYMAH123 · 07-08-2015, 08:47 AM

JB4 doesn't work on E70 X5 35i, I just ordered Stage 1 + intake for myself and anxiously waiting it's arrival next week Monday.

GrantM.Smith · 10-02-2015, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TYMAH123

JB4 doesn't work on E70 X5 35i, I just ordered Stage 1 + intake for myself and anxiously waiting it's arrival next week Monday.

Any update on this? What are your opinions?

omgboost · 10-02-2015, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantM.Smith

Any update on this? What are your opinions?

I have the JB3 in my car for almost a year now. I forget how a stock 35i drives. I like the tune a lot. Best value for the amount of power you get. The intake, you don't get any power increase, only better sound. Would hear the turbo spool. I didn't get the intake.

TYMAH123 · 10-23-2015, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantM.Smith

Any update on this? What are your opinions?

Sorry for the late reply but I think I already PMed you my feedback.
I like the tune, it does have a little more power, there are also a couple of downsides since this isn't a custom tune. The car feels a little unsure at certain times, the gas pedal feels like it has a flat spot at lower RPMs since now it does try to select a lower gear sometime prematurely I feel. Maybe I just haven't noticed it before even though I had this truck since new, around 5 years now.
The intake does let you hear the turbo, I like that sound so I'm no disappointed in it. I still have the tune as well so I'm keeping the extra grunt and just have to live with the small shortcomings.
Initially I had a couple of codes thrown (overboosting and 4wd warning), after clearing the codes they haven't come back so I don't know if it was a fluke or what. The overboosting could've came from a gap in the intake tube, I re-tied my connectors and cleared the codes after that. I think 4wd was thrown because of the weak battery a couple of months prior.
Overall I like the tune, and I'm keeping it for the time being, hope it helps!

Modedx5 · 11-13-2015, 01:46 PM

I have the Cobb APV2. I also have the VRSF downpipe, charge pipe, and intercooler and the BMS Intake. There is a nice increase in power over stock. Mine also throws a code at high speeds 130+. Other than that I drive it everyday and it's very reliable.

mitch808 · 11-13-2015, 02:22 PM

Cobb really is the best option if you want to futureproof yourself. You can program, unprogram, clear codes, and get a custom tune too. All in a nice handheld device

GrantM.Smith · 11-13-2015, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mitch808

Cobb really is the best option if you want to futureproof yourself. You can program, unprogram, clear codes, and get a custom tune too. All in a nice handheld device

I was under the impression that the accessport was not avaialable for late production E70s. Mine is a 13'.

mitch808 · 11-13-2015, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantM.Smith

I was under the impression that the accessport was not avaialable for late production E70s. Mine is a 13'.

Very possible, which is why I said earlier to check with Cobb and your VIN.

GrantM.Smith · 11-13-2015, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mitch808

Very possible, which is why I said earlier to check with Cobb and your VIN.

I see, thanks for the info. Twice.

m5james · 12-04-2015, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by omgboost

I have the JB3 in my car for almost a year now. I forget how a stock 35i drives. I like the tune a lot. Best value for the amount of power you get. The intake, you don't get any power increase, only better sound. Would hear the turbo spool. I didn't get the intake.

Terry himself told me the JB4 won't work on E** vehicles. Can the JB3 do data logging? I need something that'll show me accurate boost and whatnot for tuning for meth.

mitch808 · 12-05-2015, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Modedx5

I have the Cobb APV2. I also have the VRSF downpipe, charge pipe, and intercooler and the BMS Intake. There is a nice increase in power over stock. Mine also throws a code at high speeds 130+. Other than that I drive it everyday and it's very reliable.

Sounds like an overboost condition or no removal of the speed limiter. Only a ProTune can fix those issues. Which you could extract even more power than the base maps.

m5james · 12-08-2015, 01:20 AM

Bump for omgboost...

omgboost · 12-08-2015, 07:48 AM

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Bump for omgboost...

Sorry, didn't see the post when you replied.

From what I read, the BMS Data cable works for the JB3. You plug it in and install the JB software which will get you the logs and you can even change boost values if you like. http://www.burgertuning.com/USB_Cable_Extension.html

Also, yes, JB4 doesn't work on the E70 chassis. The JB tune that works on the E70 is the N55 Stage 1 or what everyone refers to as JB3

m5james · 12-08-2015, 05:55 PM

I'll have to write try to see if he makes the JB3 anymore or if it's strictly an I6 engine kinda thing. Thanks.

omgboost · 12-08-2015, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by m5james

I'll have to write try to see if he makes the JB3 anymore or if it's strictly an I6 engine kinda thing. Thanks.

They have a tune for the Ms. http://www.burgertuning.com/M3_M4_M5...nce_Tuner.html The link to the data cable is on there as well.

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v0lume New Member 8 Rep 19 Posts Drives: 2011 BMW X5 35i Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: New Zealand iTrader: (0)	Opinion - BMS JB4 or RaceChip Ultimate - 35i E70 I spent a good couple of hours last night researching the Burger JB4 or RaceChip Ultimate and I just can't work out what to go for. I have a 2011 xDrive 35i and what a plug and play with not much fuss - I can find dyne results for the Burger JB4 but not much info on the RaceChip. I have had three Burger Motorsport piggybacks so know that are good, just looking at other options before I commit. Has anyone fitted a RaceChip to their 35i?
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Draper Brigadier General 3461 Rep 3,995 Posts Drives: M4 Comp / Macan Turbo Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Denver iTrader: (38)	Burger has a bigger community following. I'd go that route. __________________ Current: G82 M4 Comp xDrive // Frozen Deep Grey Current: 95B.1 Macan Turbo // Dark Blue Metallic
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Doc GTO Wicked Fast +1 18 Rep 254 Posts Drives: 13 X5 50i MSport/02 M3 Track Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Ocala, FL iTrader: (0)	I like Burger. You can send Terry an email and he responds back usually same day with any answer to any questions. __________________ *Doc* 2013 X5 50i M Sport/BMS Stage 1/Magnaflow/P3Cars gauge/H&R 1.2/Style 215s 2002 M3 Race car bimmerworld/Turner/Markert modified
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mitch808 Captain 107 Rep 994 Posts Drives: 2012 X5 35i Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Seattle iTrader: (0)	Cobb accessport if it applies to your year
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mitch808 Captain 107 Rep 994 Posts Drives: 2012 X5 35i Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Seattle iTrader: (0)	You have to give your VIN to them to verify. It's not so much year, but more so build dates. Josh@ Cobb is your man to help you with that. I think he's in Austin TX. I've had mine installed near a year at this point, running a stage 1+ map. Works great. __________________ 2012 X5 xDrive35i Sport Activity - Alpine White - M Sport Package
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TYMAH123 Private 5 Rep 57 Posts Drives: 2011 BMW X5 SAV Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Brooklyn, NY iTrader: (0)	JB4 doesn't work on E70 X5 35i, I just ordered Stage 1 + intake for myself and anxiously waiting it's arrival next week Monday.
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Modedx5 Registered 0 Rep 4 Posts Drives: 2012 X5 35i Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: TN iTrader: (0)	I have the Cobb APV2. I also have the VRSF downpipe, charge pipe, and intercooler and the BMS Intake. There is a nice increase in power over stock. Mine also throws a code at high speeds 130+. Other than that I drive it everyday and it's very reliable.
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11-13-2015, 02:22 PM	#13
mitch808 Captain 107 Rep 994 Posts Drives: 2012 X5 35i Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Seattle iTrader: (0)	Cobb really is the best option if you want to futureproof yourself. You can program, unprogram, clear codes, and get a custom tune too. All in a nice handheld device
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m5james Colonel 431 Rep 2,062 Posts Drives: '10 X5M Alpine White on Sakhir Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Marysville, WA iTrader: (0)	I'll have to write try to see if he makes the JB3 anymore or if it's strictly an I6 engine kinda thing. Thanks. __________________ '10 BMW X5///M - Alpine White on Sakhir Orange - JB4 w/ HCP Stage 2 BEF, NGK 97506 @ .20, SS tubing & BMC filters, gutted cats, AC Forged 312 22's, H&R 2" '98 BMW 740iL - ///E39 M5 6spd swap, fully built engine (sleeved, P&P, cams), 3.46 LSD, H&R Stage 2/Bilstein HD, Magnaflow 14816's '97 BMW 328ci - ///E36 M3 clutch & L/W flywheel, Z4///M 18's
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