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      08-12-2008, 05:13 PM   #1
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BMW X6 A Failed Compromise

These kind of articles always crack me up. They assume that every consumer seeks the same features out of every vehicle type.

Where were they when GM was taking Chevys Cavaliers and throwing a Cadillac emblems on them?

Why is it you can have a cheap xover vehicle from Hyudai but not a Luxurious one from BMW?

What is wrong with buying a $10k Rolex watch when a Seiko keeps time just as fine?


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Utility is not luxurious. Luxury is non-functional.

Jimmy Choo stiletto sandals are, strictly speaking, shoes, but their functionality is all but surrendered to sex and gorgeousness.

The toughest, most versatile, hard-core watch in the world is a Timex Ironman, but wearing one of these ugly timepieces makes you look like a substitute gym teacher.

Luxury sport-utility vehicles have to romance a compromise between utility and luxury, and the results are occasionally hilarious. I give you the 2008 BMW X6.

About as useful as a laminated pizza, the X6 is essentially a fastback version of the company's already smallish X5. The X6 has inspired the company's marketing department to new neologistic heights: Whereas BMW calls the X5 a "Sport Activity Vehicle," or SAV, the X6 is dubbed a "Sport Activity Coupe." The resulting acronym makes my inner 12-year-old fall off his chair.

Coupe? Really? This Bavarian beefalo, this callipygian caribou, is a coupe? What we have here is a giant four-door sedan that weighs a half-ton more than it ought to, seats one less person that it should, carries fewer bags than the pencil-necked bellboy at the Four Seasons, and drives likes an excellent BMW sedan with an elephant on its back.

The X6 rates the lowest score on the Index of Usefulness in recent memory. The Index works like this: Rate any vehicle on a scale of 1-10 in the following, no-particular-order categories: speed, handling, affordability, fuel economy, styling, cargo capacity, comfort, off-road and all-weather intrepidity, and image making.

What results is a metrical portrait of a vehicle that most buyers mentally construct in their deliberations, whether they know it or not. A Lamborghini Murcielago scores a 1 in cargo capacity and affordability, but a 10-plus in speed, handling and image making (that image is of a pornographer).

What is the X6 good at? That isn't a rhetorical question. It seats four — not five, or seven, like the X5 — and the rear passengers must contend with the car's seriously sloped roof. The X6 is built alongside the X5 in South Carolina, so you'd think BMW would understand the havoc such a roofline wreaks on beehive hairdos.

Meanwhile, the cargo capacity shrivels to 25 cubic feet (compared with the X5's 40) and the space is long and low, unable to hold items such as dog cages, bicycles, multiple boxes of Jimmy Choos.

So what's the sole and dubious advantage of the X6? It has an H-point (the height above ground of the driver's hip) of 33 inches, while the 5-series H-point is a mere 20 inches. But, mommy, I want to sit up high!

As for BMW's hallmark performance and handling, it's in there, all right, with provisos. The X6 — arriving this summer, with prices starting at $52,500 — offers a choice of two monster engines: the company's brilliant twin-turbo, 3.0-liter inline six (300 hp and 300 pound-feet of torque); or great honking twin-turbo 4.0-liter V8 (400 hp and 450 pound-feet of torque) — and, one hopes, a bumper sticker that says, "Ask me about my carbon footprint."

Both models deploy BMW's six-speed automatic with manual-shift mode, all-wheel drive, and a vast array of electronic interventions designed to keep this brimming kettle of fish heading in the desired direction.

I drove an X6 xDrive 35i (jeez, even the name of the thing is tedious!) and it is certainly quick enough in a straight line. The inline-six engine, the same as in the 135i and the 335i, puts out maximum torque between a mere 1,400 rpm and 5,000 rpm. Buttoned to the six-speeder, the engine provides a ceaseless willingness and intensity anywhere, all the time.

In a dead sprint, the truck reaches 60 mph in 6.3 seconds and keeps pulling like a panicked marlin until the speedo sweeps well past three digits. The transmission is exceptional, with a lively and fierce sport mode that raises the shift points, holds gears in corners, zings the throttle on downshifts, and generally behaves like manual transmission with enchanted gears inside.

Question: Wouldn't this car be much more awesome if it weighed, like, a half-ton less? Answer: Yes. And BMW builds exactly that. The 535xi, with the same powertrain, is nearly a second quicker to 60 mph, rates better fuel economy (17/25 mpg city/highway, compared to the X6's 15/20 mpg), offers more passenger room and is, almost certainly, as capable in winter conditions as the X6.

But whatever superlatives you can throw its way would all be louder and heartier if this beast were slimmer than its 4,894-pounds curb weight.

Still, you have to give BMW engineers credit. They have knitted a complex electronic safety net of traction, anti-lock and stability control, active suspension and steering, and something called Driving Performance Control. Similar in function to Acura's Super-Handling All-Wheel Drive, the DPC system can overdrive the outside rear wheel in a corner by as much as 10 percent of rotational speed, thereby helping the X6 maintain a cornering line and not push off into the weeds like the overloaded Conestoga that it so desperately wants to be.

By the way, the brakes are spectacular. The low-speed steering, on the other hand, feels like the pump has gone out on Dale Jr.'s No. 88 Chevy.

As with the gallingly heavy Porsche Cayenne SUV, it takes every chassis dynamics trick in the book to make the X6 handle creditably. Which it does, sort of. And yet you never shake the sense of tremendous, ungoverned mass. The thing feels like a neutron star with a steering wheel.

Beautifully constructed, exquisitely appointed, heroically engineered, the X6 is nonetheless a failure as a sports machine. It's not much of an SUV either, because you can't get people or stuff into it.

That shoe just fits too tight.
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First time I saw that article it made me laugh out loud. "About as useful as a laminated pizza."

It is quite obvious that the guy liked the X6 even though he was determined not to.
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I saw this article before then realized it was LA Times and didn't bother to finish reading it. I don't have much tolerance for the socialist "you can only buy the cars we approve of" crowd. my response is usually ##@$ and the horse you rode in on.
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Most left and right coast automotive writers feel they have to be British, a la Jeremy Clarkson. You cannot express approval of anything percieved to be uncool by the snob cognicenti!
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I saw this in the LA Times.I almost posted it.......after I downed a couple of BP pills.I agree w/ chuck92103 and dmlgc.I'm so sick of other people telling me what I should and should not drive.Last time I checked this is the USA....a free country.All I'll say is..... this stupid drumbeat is getting louder,especially in this age of $4.00 gas.The because " I can afford to drive an X6 (or fill in the blank w/ your favorite performance auto) and pay for the gas" therefore, I must be stealing resources from (fill in the name of your favorite third world country,social organization,school district,et al) mindset is quickly taking over the conversation.If us hard core performance car enthusiast and the sometimes,chicken shit, no backbone,politically correct car companies we buy these cars from don't draw a serious line in the sand and stop this madness now....we are all going to be riding 50i and 35i black horses to work and carving canyons on mopeds.The very way we choose to live our lives and conduct our hobbies ( drive fast cars) is under attack.It's death by a thousand paper cuts.....no X6 because it has no "utility".....no V8 because it uses to much gas ( don't laugh...GM might not design/ build anymore ground up V8's-what auto company is next?). Now is the time to stand up against this mindless drivel.I feel better now!!! Thanks! PalBay
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I saw this in the LA Times.I almost posted it.......after I downed a couple of BP pills.I agree w/ chuck92103 and dmlgc.I'm so sick of other people telling me what I should and should not drive.Last time I checked this is the USA....a free country.All I'll say is..... this stupid drumbeat is getting louder,especially in this age of $4.00 gas.The because " I can afford to drive an X6 (or fill in the blank w/ your favorite performance auto) and pay for the gas" therefore, I must be stealing resources from (fill in the name of your favorite third world country,social organization,school district,et al) mindset is quickly taking over the conversation.If us hard core performance car enthusiast and the sometimes,chicken shit, no backbone,politically correct car companies we buy these cars from don't draw a serious line in the sand and stop this madness now....we are all going to be riding 50i and 35i black horses to work and carving canyons on mopeds.The very way we choose to live our lives and conduct our hobbies ( drive fast cars) is under attack.It's death by a thousand paper cuts.....no X6 because it has no "utility".....no V8 because it uses to much gas ( don't laugh...GM might not design/ build anymore ground up V8's-what auto company is next?). Now is the time to stand up against this mindless drivel.I feel better now!!! Thanks! PalBay
Bravo Palbay! Well said!
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Come on Palbay tell us how you really feel...
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This reminds me of the time when BMW first released the X5. WTF?
A sport/luxury SUV? No way. It will never work.

BMW projected sales of 100,000 vehicles over a 5 year run. In fact, they sold 100,000 the first year. I guess the automotive press was right. They know best.
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This reminds me of the time when BMW first released the X5. WTF?
A sport/luxury SUV? No way. It will never work.

BMW projected sales of 100,000 vehicles over a 5 year run. In fact, they sold 100,000 the first year. I guess the automotive press was right. They know best.
They ALWAYS know best! And don't you dare question it!

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A failed compromise!!!!

yeah right,kind you wait more then six months in europe for delivery and whole planed production for 2008 is sold out...

i would like more "failed compromise" like this in my life.
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You guys have said it ALL and hit it on the Head.

and still, watch there Heads turn, as they see us roll by, slowing down only in there Imagination as we take that corner no one is on or in with no sound other than the tires swallowing the dust on the Road along with the grunt of that TTV8!

then then snap awake when the Hear the Growl as we speed off and there standing there, droowling looking like baba's kids when they just dropped there lollipops.

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I'm so sick of other people telling me what I should and should not drive..... this stupid drumbeat is getting louder,especially in this age of $4.00 gas.The because " I can afford to drive an X6 (or fill in the blank w/ your favorite performance auto) and pay for the gas" therefore, I must be stealing resources from (fill in the name of your favorite third world country,social organization,school district,et al) mindset is quickly taking over the conversation.... Now is the time to stand up against this mindless drivel.I feel better now!!! Thanks! PalBay
The problem is that a significant majority of the population -- fed by a cadre of left-leaning do-gooders -- has bought in to the whole limited resources / CO2 / global warming / alternative energy / ethanol / we're-running-out-of-oil mindset. These people vote. Politicians do what get them votes. So politicians are falling all over themselves to see who can write the most draconian laws to mandate high MPG, low emissions (not a bad thing in itself, but dumb when carbon dioxide is classed as an 'emission'), ethanol-in-gas, and so on, at the same time as they work overtime to prevent production of oil from massive reserves in pristine arctic wilderness, and dump all over Canada for our 'dirty' oil sands.

We can rant as much as we like -- and who here disagrees with what you say, PalBay? -- but it looks more and more as if heavy gas guzzlers such as the X6 are going to become less and less socially acceptable, whether we like to drive them or not. What happens when some bozo California politician manages to implement some kind of gasoline rationing in support of spending billions on hydrogen filling stations? It won't matter how affluent you are, you'll get the same gas ration as Joe Tree-Hugger in his Prius.

Maybe Israel has the answer. They have announced that they are going to build a couple more large nuclear power plants to supply an order of magnitude more electricity, then they will start encouraging the use of electric vehicles through tax breaks and subsidies, gradually weaning the country off their dependence on oil supplied by countries who are not exactly their best buddies. If that means we all get to drive Teslas, maybe all is not lost!
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The problem is that a significant majority of the population -- fed by a cadre of left-leaning do-gooders -- has bought in to the whole limited resources / CO2 / global warming / alternative energy / ethanol / we're-running-out-of-oil mindset. These people vote. Politicians do what get them votes. So politicians are falling all over themselves to see who can write the most draconian laws to mandate high MPG, low emissions (not a bad thing in itself, but dumb when carbon dioxide is classed as an 'emission'), ethanol-in-gas, and so on, at the same time as they work overtime to prevent production of oil from massive reserves in pristine arctic wilderness, and dump all over Canada for our 'dirty' oil sands.

We can rant as much as we like -- and who here disagrees with what you say, PalBay? -- but it looks more and more as if heavy gas guzzlers such as the X6 are going to become less and less socially acceptable, whether we like to drive them or not. What happens when some bozo California politician manages to implement some kind of gasoline rationing in support of spending billions on hydrogen filling stations? It won't matter how affluent you are, you'll get the same gas ration as Joe Tree-Hugger in his Prius.

Maybe Israel has the answer. They have announced that they are going to build a couple more large nuclear power plants to supply an order of magnitude more electricity, then they will start encouraging the use of electric vehicles through tax breaks and subsidies, gradually weaning the country off their dependence on oil supplied by countries who are not exactly their best buddies. If that means we all get to drive Teslas, maybe all is not lost!
Interesting. I think for the most part American's still don't know what a gas guzzler is. They think if it is large, it sucks too much gas. In most cases they would be correct.

However, I think the majority would be surprised to learn that a tyical SUV achieves the same gas mileage as a BMW M3/5/6, Subaru WRX, Corvette, Mustang, Minivan, or most any other vehicle with 300+HP. I think folks would be surprised that lawn mowers do not have to pass emissions standards, and that motorcycles are actually very inefficient and pollute like crazy. A typical motorcycle weighs around 700lbs and gets 60MPG. That is equivalent to a 3500lb car getting 12MPG.

American's have no concept of where our fuel is going. No clue a 30ft power boat burns 20-40 gallons per hour. No clue a corporate jet with 3 people on board can burn 5 gallons per mile. No clue that evey day airlines dump 1,000's of lbs of fuel into the atmosphere. There seems to be no issue with folks heating and cooling 3-10k square foot homes with only 2-3 people living in them.

The sad truth is SUVs are really not the issue. However, I think the hate for them comes from drivers in general who do not like seeing a big vehicle in front of them on the roads so the MPG is something that is focused on.

If SUVs were gone tomorrow, it would be obvious to many that ignorance was focused on wrong thing. It is not the size of the vehicle. It is the fuel consumed compared to the size of the vehicle. When a a small sports car gets the same mileage as a suburban, and companies sell a lot more sports cars than SUVs, is this an SUV issue?

Much like our illegal alien problem, we find ourselves once again not addressing the real issues and focusing on the symptoms. China for example wants to double the tax on SUV's to 40%. Does it not make more sense to double the tax on all vehicles that do not meet a certain MPG rating?
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The problem is that a significant majority of the population -- fed by a cadre of left-leaning do-gooders -- has bought in to the whole limited resources / CO2 / global warming / alternative energy / ethanol / we're-running-out-of-oil mindset. These people vote. Politicians do what get them votes. So politicians are falling all over themselves to see who can write the most draconian laws to mandate high MPG, low emissions (not a bad thing in itself, but dumb when carbon dioxide is classed as an 'emission'), ethanol-in-gas, and so on, at the same time as they work overtime to prevent production of oil from massive reserves in pristine arctic wilderness, and dump all over Canada for our 'dirty' oil sands.

We can rant as much as we like -- and who here disagrees with what you say, PalBay? -- but it looks more and more as if heavy gas guzzlers such as the X6 are going to become less and less socially acceptable, whether we like to drive them or not. What happens when some bozo California politician manages to implement some kind of gasoline rationing in support of spending billions on hydrogen filling stations? It won't matter how affluent you are, you'll get the same gas ration as Joe Tree-Hugger in his Prius.

Maybe Israel has the answer. They have announced that they are going to build a couple more large nuclear power plants to supply an order of magnitude more electricity, then they will start encouraging the use of electric vehicles through tax breaks and subsidies, gradually weaning the country off their dependence on oil supplied by countries who are not exactly their best buddies. If that means we all get to drive Teslas, maybe all is not lost!
I agree completely....Ranting will not solve the problem long term.I just don't believe a large part of the car loving/ performance car building segment really understand that their very existance is at stake.It is people like us and the car companies fighting to push for more oil exploration,more nuke energy,etc. that will help make a difference in this debate.I don't see leaders from BMW,MB,VW/Audi,Porsche,Maserati,etc actively pushing these issues out in public.Cars for the vast majority of people is way to get from Point A to Point B and carry the groceries home on Friday.( NOT GOOD FOR ENTHUSIAST).The don't necessarily care what they drive outside of some safety concerns and some utilility issues ( coach the baseball or soccer team).A SMART car or VW Bug or moped works fine for them...and does it get 35MPG.All I'm saying is.....the true high performance car enthusiast have no one covering our back.We're out here running naked. In 15 yrs if we don't do something NOW,our beloved V8's, ground pounding AWD performance cars are ALL going to be in a museum that we gotta pay $5.00 to get into and the $5.00 goes to an environmental fund to research "greener" mopeds.Unfortunately,the World is heading in that direction.Hug your V8 today!!!! Thanks. PalBay
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REAL CAR ENTHUSIAST - don't give a flyin fu$# what any sissy a$$, tree hugging, prius driving, electric-car pussy footing, dumb sh!$ want to be has to say about ANYTHING!

The US is so fu$#ing uptight about highway speeds and mileage ratings - what a fu$#ing joke. Oh man look at me - I flying 75 fu$#ing miles an hour - oh wow how cool! Give me a fu#$ing break - do that sh!$ out here and you will have 70 & 80 year olds passing you by like you were fu$#ing parked!

Every morning, I pack my BALLS into my shorts and haul a$$ down these autobahns one hundred and 20 fu$#ing miles per hour which is slow compared to how these real car enthusiast's drive.

Whenever my bad ass rides need premium plus bliefrie (93 high octane fuel) - I drag my BALLS proudly up to the sales counter and pay what ever the fu$#ing fuel bill is - PERIOD!

You want to play like the fu$#ing big boys - you must pay like the fu$#ing big boys!

END OF FU$#ING THREAD!
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REAL CAR ENTHUSIAST - don't give a flyin fu$# what any sissy a$$, tree hugging, prius driving, electric-car pussy footing, dumb sh!$ want to be has to say about ANYTHING!

The US is so fu$#ing uptight about highway speeds and mileage ratings - what a fu$#ing joke. Oh man look at me - I flying 75 fu$#ing miles an hour - oh wow how cool! Give me a fu#$ing break - do that sh!$ out here and you will have 70 & 80 year olds passing you by like you were fu$#ing parked!

Every morning, I pack my BALLS into my shorts and haul a$$ down these autobahns one hundred and 20 fu$#ing miles per hour which is slow compared to how these real car enthusiast's drive.

Whenever my bad ass rides need premium plus bliefrie (93 high octane fuel) - I drag my BALLS proudly up to the sales counter and pay what ever the fu$#ing fuel bill is - PERIOD!

You want to play like the fu$#ing big boys - you must pay like the fu$#ing big boys!

END OF FU$#ING THREAD!
So no opinion either way then?

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So no opinion either way then?

I was going to thank him for his carefully worded, well considered contribution to the discussion, but I prefer your response!
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Absolutley 'anteater or your buddy - suziesdaddy',

"opinion's are like a$$ holes - everyone's got one and they all stink!"

I got a suggestion for anyone who thinks that this forum is for whining little bitches about the fu$#ing price of fuel or that in 15 years we won't be burning high octane benzine in V8's or even have them for that matter - sell your fu#ing HP car to someone who's got a set of balls and then exchange your shorts for a lacy pair of pink panties.

Immediately after that, stop contributing to a fu#$ing forum where real car lover's don't give a fu#$ about your sniveling bull$shit whining. Sign up for a safe blogging account on basketweaving.com

Here's another opinion for your dumb a$$ - grow some balls and start a new thread without sounding like a little pu$$y
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Absolutley 'anteater or your buddy - suziesdaddy',

"opinion's are like a$$ holes - everyone's got one and they all stink!"

I got a suggestion for anyone who thinks that this forum is for whining little bitches about the fu$#ing price of fuel or that in 15 years we won't be burning high octane benzine in V8's or even have them for that matter - sell your fu#ing HP car to someone who's got a set of balls and then exchange your shorts for a lacy pair of pink panties.

Immediately after that, stop contributing to a fu#$ing forum where real car lover's don't give a fu#$ about your sniveling bull$shit whining. Sign up for a safe blogging account on basketweaving.com

Here's another opinion for your dumb a$$ - grow some balls and start a new thread without sounding like a little pu$$y

"...I'm so sick of other people telling me what I should and should not drive".


Wait a minute so instead putting up people trying telling us what we can and can not drive your going to settle for some sh@# head telling us how we can talk ? Not me, fought too many battles to put up with that sh*#.

So BMW50X62K8 FU and the horse you rode in on.
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Chill the fu#$ out a$$hole. You missed the entire fu#$ing point - DMLGC.

Talk (blog) - like you want. I had to merely remind any dumbfu#er who is pi$$ing or whining about fuel or boohoo we won't have our V8's in 15 years bull$hi# - that there are many site's that support those kind of dumbsh!# causes.

How fu#$ing hypocritical for anyone who can afford to purchase a X6 and then want to blog on a site like this sounding like dudes wearing pink panties.

Get a fu#$ing life - and while you are at it - try growing up and not taking everything on a blog site so fu#$ing personal.
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      08-15-2008, 10:32 AM   #21
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Nice to see your vocabulary is improving.
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      08-15-2008, 10:55 AM   #22
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Nice to see your vocabulary is improving.
Reminds me of the old adage: If you put 1,000 monkeys at 1,000 keyboards, sooner or later one of them would write something intelligent. Hasn't happened to this guy yet.
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