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      05-15-2015, 02:07 PM   #23
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Do you know if the M-pack has head-up display as standard included? or it has to be add it on special options.
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As others have said, not standard.

I believe in 2011 it was a standalone option, for 2012 it's part of the Technology Package (which is easy to spot - just look for the side-view camera which sits right at the top of the front bumper reflector).
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The other issue with the M-sport is you loose the heated steering wheel. I had a 2011 which was a lemon and was given a 2012 as a replacement. I really wanted the M-sport for it's painted flares and lower bumpers but being in Chicago, the wife DEMANDED that she needed a heated steering wheel. If there is a CWP on the x5, the MSport price was lowered 150.00 since the MSport wheel did not have the heating option. I thought I remember that mate MY12 MSport had the option but I am 150% sure the MY11 did not have heat in MSport trim.

Also if the MY11 had a production date from 10/10 to 3/11(last month of MY11 production) it will have the newer combobox controller for BT streaming and the ability for BMW apps. If the MY11 was built prior to 10/10, it will not have BT streaming capabilities and you will also need the BMW iPod USB/aux adapter am iPhone/iPod to play via the center counsel.

You will really want to test drive Adaptive Drive vs Non-adaptive drive x5's. Personally I think it completely changes the car and is immediately noticeable. I have never owned a X5 without Adaptive Drive (07,11,12) and never will. Once the wife test drove the 11 sans-AD, she immediately said the car felt soft compared to her 07 and said her new LCI HAD to have AD and the heated steering

Other than the LED coronas and the ability to have style 336 which is pure personal preferences which I feel look much better

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The other issue with the M-sport is you loose the heated steering wheel.
For 2011 & 2012 yes, 2013 M Sports got the heated steering wheel.
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The other issue with the M-sport is you loose the heated steering wheel.
For 2011 & 2012 yes, 2013 M Sports got the heated steering wheel.
Good addition. He was only talking 2011 and 2012 so I didn't mention it but should have
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Good addition. He was only talking 2011 and 2012 so I didn't mention it but should have
I guess I don't need heated steering wheel as I'm in Naples, Florida.

Agree it looks way better in 336 wheel style with the running bar on the side than m-pkg and non running bar. But the M-pkg also have head-up display and rear entertainment display pkg too.



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Good addition. He was only talking 2011 and 2012 so I didn't mention it but should have
I guess I don't need heated steering wheel as I'm in Naples, Florida.

Agree it looks way better in 336 wheel style with the running bar on the side than m-pkg and non running bar. But the M-pkg also have head-up display and rear entertainment display pkg too.



Heads up is a great option. The wife has it in her X and I will defiantly get it on my next M3
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Heads up is a great option. The wife has it in her X and I will defiantly get it on my next M3
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The m-sport may be appealing and visually more pleasing, but the MY 2011 N63 engine had significantly more issues than the MY 2012 or 2013. I don't know why ... Being in the shop all the time will quickly take away from the joy of ownership ...

The OE rear entertainment center is a complete waste of time. Unreliable, fails constantly, but most of all, when folded down, it constantly interferes with your elbow room!
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The m-sport may be appealing and visually more pleasing, but the MY 2011 N63 engine had significantly more issues than the MY 2012 or 2013. I don't know why ... Being in the shop all the time will quickly take away from the joy of ownership ...
Wasn't MY11 the first year of the N63?

Radical new engine design. High power output per liter. Forced induction with cylinder intake/exhaust flow reversed from a typical V configuration.

Lots of potential minor kinks to sort out with all of those firsts. I'm in the same boat, and forgot the key mantra from my automotive past--don't buy the first year of anything.
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Wasn't MY11 the first year of the N63?

Radical new engine design. High power output per liter. Forced induction with cylinder intake/exhaust flow reversed from a typical V configuration.

Lots of potential minor kinks to sort out with all of those firsts. I'm in the same boat, and forgot the key mantra from my automotive past--don't buy the first year of anything.
Isn't 2011 to 2013 the same engine N63? Apart of the cover been silver in 2011 and black on 2012 what else is different? I can see you have 2011 one, is it to problematic or just speculations? The car will come with extender warranty for 4years/50k miles also.
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The m-sport may be appealing and visually more pleasing, but the MY 2011 N63 engine had significantly more issues than the MY 2012 or 2013. I don't know why ... Being in the shop all the time will quickly take away from the joy of ownership ...

The OE rear entertainment center is a complete waste of time. Unreliable, fails constantly, but most of all, when folded down, it constantly interferes with your elbow room!
So do you think 2011 will be to much problematic even with warranty for 4years or 50k miles. This 2011 is $32k with 57k miles, I can't find a 2012 m-pak with for less than $40k and lucky for me if it has heads-up display also.
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Wasn't MY11 the first year of the N63? - YES

Radical new engine design. High power output per liter. Forced induction with cylinder intake/exhaust flow reversed from a typical V configuration. - YES

Lots of potential minor kinks to sort out with all of those firsts. I'm in the same boat, and forgot the key mantra from my automotive past--don't buy the first year of anything. - YES, and rule #1: don't buy the first year production of a BMW!
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Wasn't MY11 the first year of the N63? - YES

Radical new engine design. High power output per liter. Forced induction with cylinder intake/exhaust flow reversed from a typical V configuration. - YES

Lots of potential minor kinks to sort out with all of those firsts. I'm in the same boat, and forgot the key mantra from my automotive past--don't buy the first year of anything. - YES, and rule #1: don't buy the first year production of a BMW!
All that said, it's still a joy to drive. As I've said to many (and this works for either gender)--owning a BMW is like dating a model:
  • Fun to be around
  • Looks good to your friends
  • Very high maintenance
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Wasn't MY11 the first year of the N63? - YES

Radical new engine design. High power output per liter. Forced induction with cylinder intake/exhaust flow reversed from a typical V configuration. - YES

Lots of potential minor kinks to sort out with all of those firsts. I'm in the same boat, and forgot the key mantra from my automotive past--don't buy the first year of anything. - YES, and rule #1: don't buy the first year production of a BMW!
Well, Not too sure about buying the first production of BMW. Not all model in that case I guess. I do have a 2006 e90 330i, the first N52 engine that was just make for one year replaced for the 2007 335 N54 which has twin turbos. Well I guess that N54 has a lot more problem. In my experience of buying the first year is really good.
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So do you think 2011 will be to much problematic even with warranty for 4years or 50k miles. This 2011 is $32k with 57k miles, I can't find a 2012 m-pak with for less than $40k and lucky for me if it has heads-up display also.
Keep in mind most 2011's were built in 2010 and the 4 yr/50K mile warranty is expired or about to expire. Even if it was built in early 2011, that's more than 4 years ago…I doubt there are any 2011's left with a warranty unless it's CPO or aftermarket. To know the expiration date you'll need to get the in-service date of the vehicle, which any BMW dealer can tell you. I believe you can also get this info from a Carfax report.

Also remember these X5's came equipped/packaged in countless configurations, much more so than say your E90 3 series. There are also a lot fewer of them on the road than say, a 3 series, so it can take some time to find the right one if you can afford to be patient. I think I may have mentioned this in an earlier post, but many of us bought out of state and/or waited months to find the right one.

Good luck!
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Wasn't MY11 the first year of the N63? - No

Radical new engine design. High power output per liter. Forced induction with cylinder intake/exhaust flow reversed from a typical V configuration. - not really

Lots of potential minor kinks to sort out with all of those firsts. I'm in the same boat, and forgot the key mantra from my automotive past--don't buy the first year of anything. - YES, and rule #1: don't buy the first year production of a BMW!
This information is not correct, I made some updates. the N63 was introduced in 2008. Thus it was 3 years old by the 2011 models.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N63
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This information is not correct, I made some updates. the N63 was introduced in 2008. Thus it was 3 years old by the 2011 models.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N63
The 2011 was the first MY that it was in the X5. The N63 was in other MY of different models.
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The 2011 was the first MY that it was in the X5. The N63 was in other MY of different models.
It's interesting that these issues didn't surface sooner. I wonder what the percentage of timing chain replacement is in the models that had the N63 earlier. That would be a very telling statistic.
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Keep in mind most 2011's were built in 2010 and the 4 yr/50K mile warranty is expired or about to expire. Even if it was built in early 2011, that's more than 4 years ago…I doubt there are any 2011's left with a warranty unless it's CPO or aftermarket. To know the expiration date you'll need to get the in-service date of the vehicle, which any BMW dealer can tell you. I believe you can also get this info from a Carfax report.

Also remember these X5's came equipped/packaged in countless configurations, much more so than say your E90 3 series. There are also a lot fewer of them on the road than say, a 3 series, so it can take some time to find the right one if you can afford to be patient. I think I may have mentioned this in an earlier post, but many of us bought out of state and/or waited months to find the right one.

Good luck!
The warranty will be aftermarket. It will be added on the price or pay with the down payment. 4 years/50k miles for $2500. $100 deductible on any BMW dealership.

So even with that warranty the 2011 will be worthless to buy it.
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Ok Guys,

The issues from 2011 N63 engines got fixed in the 2012 N63 or NOT? What is the point of buying 2012 in is not fixed.
As per this N63 Bulletin Recall both years are included in the same issues.


On December 29th, 2014, BMW released Bulletin "B001314" or the "N63 Customer Care Package " affecting any vehicle that saw use of the 4.4-liter V-8 (N63B44O0) within the 5 Series, 6 Series, 7 Series, X5, and X6 model lines manufactured between 2008 and 2013. Dealership instructions include checking the timing chain for stretching and replacing it if necessary, replacing the fuel injectors, mass air flow sensors, crankcase vent lines, battery, engine vacuum pump and low pressure fuel sensor.

The sweeping recall also extended to vehicles that had gone out of warranty, no matter how many miles were accumulated on the vehicle.

Additionally, the service interval would be shortened to nearly half, with a 12 month/10,000 mile (16,000 km) check-up instead of the long-life treatment the BMW had been maintaining up to that point, requiring a check every 2 years and 15,000 miles (25,000 km).

In June of 2013, dealerships had received a service bulletin regards to the N63 powerplant, which amended the oil capacity requirements of the engine, adding a full (1) US quart to the capacity of the motor, citing "increased oil consumption" in the twin turbo V8.

Models affected by the recall included:

F01 and F02 (7 Series Sedan)– produced from 3/2009 to 6/2012
F04 (Active Hybrid 7)– produced from 4/2010 to 6/2012
F07 (Gran Turismo)– produced from 9/2009 to 6/2012
F10 (5 Series Sedan)– produced from 3/2010 to 7/2013
F12 (6 Series Convertible)– produced from 3/2011 to 7/2012
F13 (6 Series Coupe)– produced from 7/2011 to 7/2012
E70 (X5)– produced from 3/2010 to 6/2013
E71 (X6)– produced from 7/2008 to 6/2014
E72 (ActiveHybrid X6)– produced from 9/2009 to 9/2011

The dealership bulletin was accompanied by region sales rep meetings with branch/service managers, informing of them of the forthcoming campaign, and issuing instructions to contact all owners serviced at their branches operating the N63 engine. The accompanying marketing campaign, which would be a major focus of 2015 for BMW world-wide, was intended to dampen the affect of such a wide spread recall on BMW's waining brand loyalty and customer service issues. The tactics of which could be seen in the extended efforts surrounding the recall.

BMW dealerships were instructed to offer extra incentives for owners affected by this campaign, offering trade-in cash bonuses for their N63 equipped vehicles with the purchase of a new BMW (details in a separate sales bulletin - "N63 Customer Loyalty Offer"). Sales teams were also provided with discretionary authorization to provide customers with a gift of $50 value, including anything from a gas card, gift bag containing BMW Lifestyle products, or vehicle detailing.
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Hey i bought my 2011 x5 MSport but 3.5i with 33k miles on it for $32,500. But this is a v8 so i think the price is about right, maybe you can wiggle some more out of them.
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The issues from 2011 N63 engines got fixed in the 2012 N63 or NOT? What is the point of buying 2012 in is not fixed.
As per this N63 Bulletin Recall both years are included in the same issues.
The issues/campaign impact both 2011 & 2012's (assuming 2013's as well?).

I wouldn't base your purchase decision on whether the N63 work has been done or not, but that's just me. Other than the inconvenience of bringing it into the dealer, the work is obviously free. And if you buy one from a BMW dealer, have the work done before you drive it home.

A 2012….well, it's a year newer and could still have some factory warranty left depending on the in-service date. There were some package configuration changes for 2012 w/ additional options included as standard - see the link below. Overall there's not much difference between the years. Part of the price disparity you're seeing between 2011's and 2012's is the fact no warranty would remain on a 2011. You'll notice that with most cars I'd imagine, and definitely on BMW's…once the factory warranty expires, you'll see some savings in the price.

http://www.bmwusanews.com/newsreleas...658D25?&id=908
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