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      08-30-2015, 05:07 AM   #45
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Hey Bob,

Eurocharge is half the price of Velos for the same performance. If you have cash to burn you are right, Omar is the guy to take it. Dinan is right there too!

All of the companies listed are excellent and all will walk you through the process of loading your tune. That is standard protocol.
I've been trying to compare Velos and AA tunes and as you said Velos is a lot more expensive for roughly the same numbers

I may look into Eurocharge as well...seems like you've had the tune for a while now, any updates for those of us on the fence on which route to go
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      08-31-2015, 09:01 AM   #46
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I've been trying to compare Velos and AA tunes and as you said Velos is a lot more expensive for roughly the same numbers

I may look into Eurocharge as well...seems like you've had the tune for a while now, any updates for those of us on the fence on which route to go
Call both AA and Eurocharge and see who you like best. I have used both, the only reason I would lean to Eurocharge is that they do not charge you for changing your tune based on modification like downpipes.
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Call both AA and Eurocharge and see who you like best. I have used both, the only reason I would lean to Eurocharge is that they do not charge you for changing your tune based on modification like downpipes.
I just talked to someone from AA and their tune is on sale with the dp's software(stage 2) for a very reasonable price...I already bought 3'' catless dp's... looks like I will be going with AA

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I've been looking to buy an X5M for a few months now and coming from a supercharged E46 M3 and fully built 335 I've been reading similar threads like this one about different types of tunes for the X5M...the only thing I've noticed is everybody is basically doing the same setup...a tune and down pipes or a tune with an exhaust...has anybody upgraded their intercoolers or replaced the stock turbos etc. to bring out the full potential of these beasts??? I know a lot of guys want to keep it simple for warranty concerns but those of you out of warranty...has anybody gone beyond the basic tune???
I created this post, but it's been nothing but views, zero comments. I come here for X5M specific stuff, but when it comes to moding, I spend more time on the F10 M5 boards because those guys are pushing the limits moreso than most here.

http://www.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1169348

As for chosing a tuner, I'm all over the highway...EVERYONE claims theirs is the best of the best, yet prices range from $500-$4000. I don't care about how nice the tuner is (he could cross dress and have lunch at Subway with Jared for all I care), I just want the most power for the best price...reputation is created most from people justifying what they paid for everything...look at $$Dinan$$ buyers as a perfect example. I don't care about fancy handhelds that I'll use once and then it'll sit on a shelf, but I do care about the most power, easy to upgrade tunes (going from cats to catless for example), etc etc with minimal downtime.

The perfect scenario would be one X5M, dyno and track tested, tunes loaded one by one from each tuner and results documented. Car manufacturers send their cars to shows like Top Gear, magazines like Road & Track, etc for stuff like this, but it's highly unlikely that each tuner out there would be willing to put their wallet where their mouth is for side-by-side testing like this. One can only hope though...
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      09-04-2015, 05:59 PM   #49
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Call both AA and Eurocharge and see who you like best. I have used both, the only reason I would lean to Eurocharge is that they do not charge you for changing your tune based on modification like downpipes.
While it's not relatable since it's a Ford, but the tuning package for my Harley F150 was $600 for wideband, a "base tune" after I tell him my mods, a little OBDII dongle called an iTSX and then I simply run it via an app on my phone. I datalog directly to my phone via the wideband being connected to the dongle, I email the guy my logs and he sends me a tune. Rinse and repeat until I'm satisfied with the tune, and it's free tuning for life...anytime I decide to upgrade from my current Kenne Bell and say go twin turbo, do full length headers instead of shorties, start running bigger injectors and using E85, etc...free tunes. I'm currently around 600hp, with room to get upwards of 1000hp if I went TT. Knowing I don't have to pay for addional tuning and I'm about as close to dynotuned as one can get since these are custom tunes made for my truck is great. No ///M tax here.

I've looked at Burger based off a recommendation from a friend who works at Vivid Racing, but he's heavily into the F10 M5 platform and their tuning options are completely different, so now I feel like I'm back to square one on chosing a tuner. It's nice to know that Eurocharge allows for free upgrades, that's a great value in itself...but I wonder to what limit.
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      09-25-2015, 08:42 AM   #50
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Gentlemen,

I was doing a little work on who offers tunes for the X5M/X6M and here is what I came up with. Please add the companies you know of:

ActiveAutowerks: $ 1199.00 plus 10% off this Labor Day weekend
86 RearWheel HP
117 Ft lb of Torque
http://store.activeautowerke.com/act...ware-p150.aspx

Eurocharged:$ 1199.00
85 RearWheel HP
110 Ft lb of Torque
http://www.eurocharged.com/products/...-tuning-detail

Velos: $ 2250.00
80HP @4550 rpm
120lb ft of torque @ 4550 rpm
Based on Dyno graph on their website
http://velosdesignwerks.com/tuning/i...mance-software

Dinan $ 2999.00
55 RWHP
75lbs ft lb
http://dinancars.com/product/d900-44...ries&mid=1136/

VF Hex Tuning
Stage 1 (gain approx 75hp/100tq) USD $1695.
Stage 2 (gain approx 120hp/170tq) USD $2295.
http://vf-engineering.com/x5x6-m/

ESS Tuning $ 1695.00
Horsepower 45
Torque: 110
http://www.esstuning.com/products/ES...-Software.html

G-Power $ 3958.80 euros.......
105HP
104 FT lb of Torque
http://www.g-power.com/artikelbeschr...-m-e70_715.php


Haven't really seen many people with VF Hex tune on here and I'm wondering why. If these guys are putting down the best numbers why haven't more people jumped on this. Are there dyno #'s not at the wheel? what am I missing?
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      09-25-2015, 09:14 PM   #51
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While it's not relatable since it's a Ford, but the tuning package for my Harley F150 was $600 for wideband, a "base tune" after I tell him my mods, a little OBDII dongle called an iTSX and then I simply run it via an app on my phone. I datalog directly to my phone via the wideband being connected to the dongle, I email the guy my logs and he sends me a tune. Rinse and repeat until I'm satisfied with the tune, and it's free tuning for life...anytime I decide to upgrade from my current Kenne Bell and say go twin turbo, do full length headers instead of shorties, start running bigger injectors and using E85, etc...free tunes. I'm currently around 600hp, with room to get upwards of 1000hp if I went TT. Knowing I don't have to pay for addional tuning and I'm about as close to dynotuned as one can get since these are custom tunes made for my truck is great. No ///M tax here.
I've spent a fair bit of time around boosted Japanese RB engines, so E85 was first on my list of to-do with the new purchase.

I noticed someone was running it with their turbo 6cyl - has anyone successfully run the S63 with corn juice? Speaking to a local trusted tuning shop, they said there might be issues with "torque request tables"?
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      09-25-2015, 09:30 PM   #52
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I'm no authority, but I've read other opinions that the old style injectors (pre Index 11) are failing due to the ethanol in our fuel. I'm right in the middle of a swap now because two of my Index 07's have failed. $900 later from www.rockauto.com and I've got brand new Index -12's sitting in aftermarket boxes with BMW logos on them. I read something about the -11 and up having different piezos, something about being internally lubed...basically to handle E85, I just have no clue as to what percentage.
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Are the Eurocharged tunes just a canned tune or is it customized in any way?
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      10-09-2015, 07:39 AM   #54
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Are the Eurocharged tunes just a canned tune or is it customized in any way?
Customized based on your modifications, Active Autowerks does the same thing.
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Customized based on your modifications, Active Autowerks does the same thing.


Thank you!
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      10-14-2015, 08:18 PM   #56
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I've been replying on a couple M5 threads about running an ESS tune (which I've paid for, but it's still in the mail) or running a BMS JB4 and meth...with the minor issue that they've never used the JB4 or BCM on an X5M. The thread seems to have taken a turn in that people don't even need tunes, just simply running JB4 and meth will net me better results than the ESS E-Flash, so now I'm thinking I need to return/sell the handheld and continue looking into JB4 since I planned on running meth anyways.

Run ESS for $1500 (rumored high boost misfires when pushing past 22#'s) or JB4 ($550) and meth ($600) and be the guinea pig for the X5M community.

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I believe the JB4 is a piggy back where as Velos, Active, and a few others are an actual tune to the ECU. Personally I wouldn't mind piggy back setups if I was leasing, but for long term ownership I would go the other direction with an actual tune to my ECU. It's a personal preference.
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The problem with the original post on this thread, while very helpful, is that it compares power gains from different tunes but with some showing to be whp gains while others look to be simply hp gains.

I'm looking towards the Active setup to include the catless dp and tune (stage 2). We'll see.
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The problem with the original post on this thread, while very helpful, is that it compares power gains from different tunes but with some showing to be whp gains while others look to be simply hp gains.

I'm looking towards the Active setup to include the catless dp and tune (stage 2). We'll see.
And dynos vary by type and correction factors used. I could make a Geo Metro have the same HP/TQ as a Ferrari with the right correction factor.

People need to stop chasing numbers.
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And dynos vary by type and correction factors used. I could make a Geo Metro have the same HP/TQ as a Ferrari with the right correction factor.

People need to stop chasing numbers.
I agree, numbers are not everything. However accompanied with enough pertinent info, it is something.

I'm in the market for the best downpipe + tune combo. Although it would be nice, I'm not necessarily looking for the biggest gains, rather quality downpipes that will last the life of the vehicle and a tune that won't compromise ANYTHING OE in exchange for gains.

I don't turn vehicles often nor do I swap out mods so I'm looking for something that will do me right for the duration of ownership.

I was perfectly happy with my '04 4.8IS for the 10 years I had it! It set the bar pretty high for the current X5 M.
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I got mine from OE tuning, similar numbers with much lower costs
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How much exactly is this lower cost? It's my understanding most all tunes are based on a $250 base BR Tune and then each company tweaks it a little and sells it at their markup.
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I don't know if I should post since I deal with the shop a lot but you guys can call them at IAP Racing. 703-997-2112. I got their holiday special pricing.

Oh I also had 50i but shouldn't see the M's being that much more.
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You get before and after numbers? I'm sure any tune will feel good, but at the same time it'd suck to pay for an 80HP increase and only get 50HP.
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I sold the car few weeks later due to electrical problems so I never got post dyno numbers.

I think they having a end of the year sale
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I believe the JB4 is a piggy back where as Velos, Active, and a few others are an actual tune to the ECU. Personally I wouldn't mind piggy back setups if I was leasing, but for long term ownership I would go the other direction with an actual tune to my ECU. It's a personal preference.
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