E70 Trying to build courage to use ISTA/P and limit it's power.

[Smookin_Joe]

Hi

I am trying to use ISTA P for to code the battery in my X5.

Ista+ shows it as a 90 AH (I think I saw 90 AH Plant somewhere)

The battery in the car is a 95 AH AGM.

My Ista+ is v4.12(older ver on purpose because I could register a new injector)

I also used it to reset the transmission, adaptives.

I just installed Ista P on the same computer and it is connecting to the car and is willing to brick...opps.."update" a number of my modules.

This is something, I would do, on a need to fix basis. I am in no hurry to fix what is not broken, unlike Microsoft updates...lol

After watching this video

I found I could eliminate modules from being updated automatically by ISTA P

Starts talking about it at the 3:20.

After I did this the Vehicle Information and Action List became allot less.

Pictures below




Do these look right and would be safe to code?


I did see some boxes checked for steering and a couple of other minor things but I don't see them in the action list so I might have been able to eliminate them.

I do apologize if I am vague but I am a senior with physical disabilities that can slow my cpu down and effect my mental capacities.

Thank You for your time

Sorry if the pictures are too big but I wanted you to be able to read them

Do these look right and would I be safe to proceed.?

[Attacking Mid]

I highly recommend you stop before you brick your car. ISTA-P requires serious power supply and is still dangerous in the hands of an amateur. I downloaded it years ago, but as I learned more about it, I decided to not use it. There are easier/safer tools to use. NCS Expert/Dummy are easier and you can code one module at a time rather than rewriting the whole car.

AM.

[StradaRedlands]

I dislike coding in any fashion, and can't even get standard tools to work on a laptop or connect to the car. But I have had good luck with Bimmergeeks Protools... in fact I just coded a new battery this evening with it! Long/short, maybe give it a try? You'll pretty much pay for it with the first battery coding/registering!

[jbash87]

I would second what others have said so far. Do not use ISTA/P unless you are 100% confident in what you are doing.

There is no reason to update modules unless you specifically need to. "Update" in this context is different than "coding", mind you.

To change the battery capacity only "coding" is required for 1 module. This can easily be done in <5 minutes with NCSExpert/Dummy.

Protools is also an option but I have no experience with it so I can't comment further.

I see you're in Surrey. If you want to drive down to Seattle I'd be happy to take care of this for you free of charge.

[Smookin_Joe]

Thanks Guys
Not the support I was looking for exactly..
For some reason I didn't get notifications.
Resubscribed.
The reason I want to use Ista P is I want to learn more about using it.
I am pretty sure it will be safe to code the battery properly.
I want to learn more about it's use.
Joe

[Cnoro]

Originally Posted by Smookin_Joe

Thanks Guys
Not the support I was looking for exactly..
For some reason I didn't get notifications.
Resubscribed.
The reason I want to use Ista P is I want to learn more about using it.
I am pretty sure it will be safe to code the battery properly.
I want to learn more about it's use.
Joe

Befor starting to learn ( experimenting in your own car) start connecting a 13.8v power supply under the hood and after that you will have a lot of time to learn by doing in your car

anyway to register battery you can use also bimmerlink app

Good luck friend

[jbash87]

Originally Posted by Smookin_Joe

Thanks Guys
Not the support I was looking for exactly..
For some reason I didn't get notifications.
Resubscribed.
The reason I want to use Ista P is I want to learn more about using it.
I am pretty sure it will be safe to code the battery properly.
I want to learn more about it's use.
Joe

Fair enough. I would say then that you should remove the two "write VO" operations and the rest should be safe.
Is there a reason those are in there?

As long as the job is quick and you have a strong battery you'll be fine w/o a power supply.

[Smookin_Joe]

Originally Posted by jbash87

Fair enough. I would say then that you should remove the two "write VO" operations and the rest should be safe.
Is there a reason those are in there?

As long as the job is quick and you have a strong battery you'll be fine w/o a power supply.

***Update***
The following is a user manual for ISTA P
https://pdf4pro.com/cdn/ista-p-user-...bmw-475002.pdf
It only talks about IMPORTING a VO and things affiliated with using a VO
A VO is not what I thought it was in the following answer.
^^^Update Ended^^^

I recently read (somewhere) that, if you leave the vehicle running, you can use Ista P. Just not for the module controlling the engine.
(forgive me if I am not using the right words.)
I wouldn't want to update that module because it is running different firmware.
jbash87
You have brought up a good point.
VO (vehicle order)
It has been used before in threads and it is important.
But, I have to ask myself, how and why is it important?
I can only surmise, that when writing code, the instructions have to fall in the proper order.
I have to question what you are saying and how I should proceed.
Code and VO (in the Action list) refer to part numbers 9176825 FRM & 9389116 CAS
Now you say...Is there a reason those are in there?
My short answer is...Probably
ISTA/P is only registering the battery all other actions have been hidden (to use ISTA/P's wording...lol)
It will prevent me from coding the battery till I get a better understanding.
Thank You for bringing it up!
It is the battery, that came with the car, when I bought it and it never was coded properly.It had been registered.
It is an AGM 95 and I believe the car was produced with a 90 Lead Acid.

Please correct me if I am wrong.
Ista P called it a 90 AH plant
If you can recommend a direction to improve my learning curve please speak up
Is there a good source of information I should be looking at?

PS
You would think that dealer software, that is doing a specific task, taken from a list with limited options given, would do what is required.
I don't think there is an option not to do the VO tasks.

[jbash87]

Originally Posted by Smookin_Joe

I recently read (somewhere) that, if you leave the vehicle running, you can use Ista P. Just not for the module controlling the engine.
(forgive me if I am not using the right words.)
I wouldn't want to update that module because it is running different firmware.

Yes this is true. Again, you'll be fine if you are only coding a few things. Programming is a whole different story.

Originally Posted by Smookin_Joe

You have brought up a good point.
VO (vehicle order)
It has been used before in threads and it is important.
But, I have to ask myself, how and why is it important?
I can only surmise, that when writing code, the instructions have to fall in the proper order.

No. But I think you've figured out what it is based on your update.

Originally Posted by Smookin_Joe

I have to question what you are saying and how I should proceed.
Code and VO (in the Action list) refer to part numbers 9176825 FRM & 9389116 CAS
Now you say...Is there a reason those are in there?
My short answer is...Probably

The VO is stored in both the FRM and CAS. That is why those are the only two modules listed there.
For coding a new battery (changing the AH value) there is no reason to code the VO.

Originally Posted by Smookin_Joe

ISTA/P is only registering the battery all other actions have been hidden (to use ISTA/P's wording...lol)
It will prevent me from coding the battery till I get a better understanding.
Thank You for bringing it up!
It is the battery, that came with the car, when I bought it and it never was coded properly.It had been registered.
It is an AGM 95 and I believe the car was produced with a 90 Lead Acid.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Ista P called it a 90 AH plant

I'm a bit confused now. The car came with a 90ah battery, you replaced it with a 95ah battery, correct? If that is the case then you only have to register the battery. There is no coding option for a 95ah battery, so you choose the closest w/o going over. Price is Right rules.

Originally Posted by Smookin_Joe

If you can recommend a direction to improve my learning curve please speak up
Is there a good source of information I should be looking at?

Unfortunately I haven't ever dealt with ISTA/P so I have no info on it. Although it is more "work" I prefer to use WinKFP and NCSExpert to handle all my programming and coding.

Originally Posted by Smookin_Joe

PS
You would think that dealer software, that is doing a specific task, taken from a list with limited options given, would do what is required.
I don't think there is an option not to do the VO tasks.

[Smookin_Joe]

Originally Posted by jbash87

~~~snip~~~

I'm a bit confused now. The car came with a 90ah battery, you replaced it with a 95ah battery, correct? If that is the case then you only have to register the battery. There is no coding option for a 95ah battery, so you choose the closest w/o going over. Price is Right rules.

My Bad
And no I haven't replaced it...it was registered incorrectly as an identical replacement.

Now that I have reread the following let me write it differently...sorry for the incorrect wording
ISTA/P is only registering the battery all other actions have been hidden (to use ISTA/P's wording...lol)
It will prevent me from coding the battery till I get a better understanding.
Thank You for bringing it up!
It is the battery, that came with the car, when I bought it and it never was coded properly.It had been registered.
It is an AGM 95 and I believe the car was produced with a 90 Lead Acid.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Ista P called it a 90 AH plant

What I should of said...
ISTA/P, would be, only changing the battery to an AGM all the other actions, like module updates, have been hidden (to use ISTA/P's wording...lol)
I want to change the info, of the battery, that came with the car, when I bought it, to show it is an AGM.
It is an AGM 95 and I believe the car was produced with a 90 Lead Acid.
I would like to see if it helps the car hold a charge, better.
If it sits for a few weeks it can lose the date and time.
I eventually would replace the battery and when I do I want to know how to do it properly.

Originally Posted by jbash87

Unfortunately I haven't ever dealt with ISTA/P so I have no info on it. Although it is more "work" I prefer to use WinKFP and NCSExpert to handle all my programming and coding.

Bummer!
I have been reading some of it here..it is an earlier version than mine.
https://motorstate.com.ua/upload/pro...-ISTAP_eng.pdf

I was hoping someone, would of known, if the action list was correct.
You mentioned..

Originally Posted by jbash87

The VO is stored in both the FRM and CAS. That is why those are the only two modules listed there.
For coding a new battery (changing the AH value) there is no reason to code the VO.

But if you are changing to a AGM from a lead acid you would...
You just confirmed the Action List bro.

Thanks..

[Smookin_Joe]

The car has a number of things that need to be addressed. I discover more over time. Things like the rain sensor option stopped working after windshield was replaced..new 2 part gel on route..the right side mirror glass doesn't have a wire connection(wiring harness does)...the rear wiper & rear entertainment don't function..the suspension and body creaks when going slow over uneven surfaces.(my Cummins powered 03 Dodge 3500 Laramie does not...138000kms)
The back doors release water when you open them. The car revs much higher, before shifting, when you first start driving it. Obviously the engine is still warming up.
The Nav system???.:(.. Google is allot easier)
I would like to eventually correct them all so I can appreciate, just, how good, a car, it can be.
Since I am 70, I call it my end of life toy.
I have had some very fast cars in my life and this feels like a monster...lol
I enjoy driving it tamely..but every so often you just got to let er go!

[jbash87]

Originally Posted by Smookin_Joe

My Bad
It is an AGM 95 and I believe the car was produced with a 90 Lead Acid.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Ista P called it a 90 AH plant

Ahh yes, AGM vs Lead Acid would have to be coded.

Originally Posted by Smookin_Joe

But if you are changing to a AGM from a lead acid you would...
You just confirmed the Action List bro.

Thanks..

Perhaps that is how ISTA/P handles it. Which is probably the "correct" way in BMW's mind. Typically all that is needed is changing the coding in the CAS by selecting between the different options. No VO changes necessary that way.

Glad my "answers" helped!

[Smookin_Joe]

Originally Posted by jbash87

Ahh yes, AGM vs Lead Acid would have to be coded.



Perhaps that is how ISTA/P handles it. Which is probably the "correct" way in BMW's mind. Typically all that is needed is changing the coding in the CAS by selecting between the different options. No VO changes necessary that way.

Glad my "answers" helped!

Me too
Just did it
Hid all actions in each module, in the tree
Used a smart battery charger, on boost setting 30A, 14.5 constant voltage.
Key in ignition, ejected NAV disk just in case...
When it told me to switch off ignition & remove key the popup screen had only 1 button option "Termination" so I waited awhile before I pressed it
The activity graph was still going so I wasn't sure if the popup screen would close itself ....eventually I did click the termination button and all was good.
That was concerning...
The battery was changed about 5000kms back and now it shows that a 90 AGM was installed at that time
Thank You!
jbash87
We did it!
Your input helped me find the answer

PS
AND I didn't have to spend extra money to do it