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Pretty lame time for cars when "range" is a performance criteria people are getting emotional about.
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12-15-2019, 10:31 AM | #24 |
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Also meaningless if you have a wife or children. I still contend that 99.997% of people buying $188k cars will never, ever drive it 500 miles at once. There are airplanes for that, and there's a good chance that they own their own one of those too.
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12-15-2019, 10:29 PM | #25 |
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There was a video of someone trying to prove the Tesla Model S was not put in Ludicrous mode by BBC and therefore could not beat the Taycan in a drag race.
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12-16-2019, 07:31 AM | #26 |
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That's correct, Model S was not in "Ludicrous mode" in that Top Gear review. In fact, they showed Tesla time from different test they did earlier, before Taycan arrived. Some fake news by Top Gear...
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12-16-2019, 06:19 PM | #27 | |
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Ludicrous mode is not repeatable performance while the Taycan can do the same runs multiple times. After a few runs the Model S would go into limp mode whereby an e-Golf will outrun it. I don't buy into one-trick ponies. I have already seen vidoes of Taycan beating Model S. Honestly it's all very measurebating. If I am in the market for a hipo-EV and I have deep pockets, the Model S is not even remotely on my radar to X-shop. |
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That's why drag races are done several times with the same match up to make sure it wasn't a fluke.
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12-17-2019, 10:09 PM | #29 | |
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I do realize that Taycan was built for the different intent: track and repeatable lunches. I don't understand when people compare something like M5 vs. Toyota Camry and then go like - OMG Camry is a piece of crap because its brakes overheat on the track... But one fact that Model S can accelerate close to Taycan and have over 300 miles of range for the half of price is pretty respectful in my book.
Also, the fact that Top Gear showed Model S in "range mode" with Ludicrous disabled during the video makes me wonder how accurate their other tests were. Quote:
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12-18-2019, 02:58 AM | #30 |
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I had pre orderd one. After I heard about the 201 mile range I canceled my order
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12-21-2019, 02:31 PM | #31 |
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Who cares. It'll be obsolete in 3 months as soon as someone codes a battery with wheels to accelerate faster with less juice. Yawn.
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12-22-2019, 11:42 AM | #32 |
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Couple questions about EVs.
1) When the EPA calculates mileage, do they have a certain temperature range for testing or procedure for using the AC or heater? i.e. "The Taycan/Teslsa/etc has a range of XYZ miles at 65 degrees F- without using the AC or Heater" 2) How much does the range drop if it's 10-20F and have to use the heater OR 90+ and running the AC nonstop? 3) How much does the battery deplete if you leave it outside for several days with low temps in the single digits? |
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12-22-2019, 12:06 PM | #33 |
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There are some Canadian articles testing EV battery ranges during winter. Cranking up the heater, cold starts, stop and go, wipers and headlights... Functionalities required during winter driving. The result is EV tech has some ways to go. The charging infrastructure in non urban locales in canada makes it even more challenging.
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If you test cars against each other it should be same day. That once upon a time car A achieved a better result is irrelevant. Sometimes car mags mention than car A did X today but their best ever time is Y... that is the only acceptable way to use better results than what you've done that day And that somehow this was twisted to Top Gear being against Telsa is just incredible and speaks a lot about how nuts the fanboys are. |
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12-22-2019, 10:22 PM | #36 | |
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Yeah that's what Top Gear was probably trying to do but f..cked somewhere and forgot to enable the Ludicrous mode and raced in range mode. After posting the video and getting caught they came up with this stupid excuse.
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its impossible to calculate empg with all the variables. battery depletion over a few days or even a week is almost nothing. these cars have a normal 12v battery, and the high voltage battery is used for driving.
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Tesla has more range because it uses more of its batteries and because it limits the high speed driving.Because Porsche doesn't, it likely hurt its performance. My guess, and it is only that, is that the Porsche will deliver better range than it is rated for for most drivers. |
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The modern/new EPA testing is more real-world and most people can best it if trying. New standards are something like 75mph cruise, taking into account more real-world variables that are indicative of how most people drive. If you want to hypermile, you can often do better than the ratings. This applies to Tesla, my 2SS 1LE V8 and I'm sure the Porsche. It's not going to inherently make it better than another car in this regard though. All sorts of factors can affect your trip mileage, tailwind, air density, slight overall downhill, maintaining speed, etc. People post better results all the time...but that's across the board.
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Agreed. It's still Apples to Apples. If a Taycan can beat its range, so can an EV with greater range. VW Group isn't BMW bad at EV's, but they've got a lot of ground to make up still.
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That's true, I believe that Taycan reserves/spares about 12% for battery degradation, where Tesla has all 100% available for charging. But the fact is that even with its superior drag coefficient Taycan is extremely inefficient compared to Tesla. Not really sure why.
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12-29-2019, 04:53 AM | #43 | |
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I would still buy a Panamera Hybrid over a Taycan simply for it's superior range and quick fueling. It's still incredibly quick! 0-60MPH in 2.9 seconds until the tires are bald or you run out of fuel. Last edited by GenXer; 12-29-2019 at 05:04 AM.. |
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The Taycan epitomizes why I'm against tax subsidies for these vehicles. It feels very wrong that even the poorest taxpayers have to help obviously very wealthy people pay for their 2nd, 3rd, or 4th vehicle. IMO there should be a limit on the price of an EV that receives tax subsidies. A low limit (thinking $30k) at that.
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